I don't understand why this is necessary.  I rarely see red players anymore, and when I do, they don't camp me.  Red players already have a tough existance in this game.  I see no need to make it worse.  Priorities, PA.  Priorities.

With those negative karma changes people will be even more powerless to rotation griefers. Can't dec, can't flag. What is there only chat pvp left?  Priorities, PA.  Priorities.

Its for those who bully others on normal servers because they are bored of this game, if you want pvp go arsha, solare, battlefield etc

haha. Like dudes said, you would be surprised how many people flag up to take a spot or defend a spot. That almost never happens anymore on regs (at least that I've seen,) but I haven't just started farming over someone.

Unless you are farming at some of the most popular end game spots, I would recommend arsha in general. You will find that people on there are actually more respectful as well. Arsha anon seemed toxic when I tried, so I haven't gone back.

The only dec attempt I've had since I came back was cuz this guy who someone else added was slurring someone in chat. So yea chat pvp hehh. And on arsha if you count out the people who are just there with their friends looking for a fight (who likely will leave you alone if you just keep going back and starting to farm again if you don't wanna fight) dudes have their area and if you stay out of it, they will rarely step to the side to kill you. BDO has changed in that. People on arsha are just like lemme grind in peace, get the gains, and have the opportunity to hold my spot.

Karma system is trash; the people telling you to play on arsha are right, even tho they don't understand they are right, or aren't right for the reasons they think. Trust yaboy.

The change will do nothing to stop those players, in fact it will encourage them more than anything.  You already have people running around with FG armor, base Godrs and no crystals that are neg karma 24/7 They can't downgrade and just bully low level players.  Since they are already 65+ the XP loss is nothing.  The entire Karma system is worthless now, it will do nothing to stop red players from being red, and it will only promote griefing at grind spots.