Eg.

BS pen enchant:

3670 crones x 3m per cron x 40 fails = 440b.

BS pen market price: 130b.

This is the basic problem with enchantment using crons: it no longer pays off after several unsuccessful attempts because its cost exceeds the cost of the resulting item.

On the other hand, enchant without use of crons is a complete misunderstanding since the chance of success is 3-7%. This means that we have an almost 100% chance of failing, and each failure means the item drops by 1 lvl. So we have to return from tri to tet, but here we can drop to duo, and to effectively try to return from tri to tet, we need at least FS 100, and it does not cost several million. And even if we go back to tet, enchant fail again and we have tri again, but we don't have FS 100 anymore because we used it last time.

And now we come to the third option, i.e. p2w and crones from melting outfits or crons bought in IS from various enchantment packs. We cannot convert such crons into silver value (although they are half the price considering the value of outfits in the market), so the real cost of obtaining a pen item is different. However, before the introduction of the Ancient Anvil system, we could spend thousands of dollars and lose everything (you probably saw this video that was quickly removed from the forum), but when Ancient Anvil appears in the game, it will give players who buy outfits for crons a guarantee that they will get pens. Yes, they will theoretically be much more expensive at the price of crons, but a player using IS does not have to grind to get these billions to buy crons from a blacksmith.  In other words, after introducing the Ancient Anvil system into the game, a player using IS will be able to simply buy the best items in the game for real money with zero playing time.

The Ancient Anvil system would only make sense if we received free enchantment hammers every few days. Why every few days? Because even 1 hammer a week is a ridiculous amount. There are 52-53 weeks in a year. The BS pen guarantee is 40 enchants, i.e. 40 hammers. We have 3 BS weapons, 4 Fallen God Set armors (and with armor there is a problem even with duo enchant), not to mention 6 accessories and all life skills items!!!
By getting 1 hammer per week, in theory it could take .... 5-10 years to get all the guaranteed pens. So the same as now.

The conclusion is simple: this entire Ancient Anvil system was created for one purpose only: to increase the sales of outfits because only such crons make sense in this system.

The pity system was never designed to be a benefit. It was designed to have some measure of reward for people who go very unlucky. In practise the Ancient Anvil will never activate for 90% of players. Only those who go unlucky with thier taps for a long time.

Sure in theory you can "buy" gear with your crons... but thats going to cost you 2x+ what it would take to just tap it normally (on average). I get the idea behind P2W players getting max gear, but by most estimates it would cost 70k USD to get Obliterating gear, per piece. If you are worried about real P2W, they would be better off selling costumes and simply buying the gear. Obv that wont mean they can buy Obliterating, but everything else will sell with time.

The Ancient Anvil is here to let people who fail a tonne of times in a row get the item, rather than just continuing to fail. 

But as I wrote in the first sentence: long-term fails make no sense because such an enchant exceeds the market value of the item.

Nope. In a video where a player bought outfits for 1000 usd and melted them into crones, he had 14 attempts. So in the worst case scenario (40 attempts), getting a BS pen will cost less than 3000 usd.

Dear PA: in my country, for 1,000 usd I can buy a working car (Fiat Panda, Ford Fiesta, Skoda Fabia), and for 3000 usd it will be a car in very good technical condition.

1. You can't because you are limited by the monthly sales limit of pearls items in the market.

2. Someone must have these items and want to sell them.

The problem is that it is impossible to earn money to buy true best items in the game because items vs mobs are worth in total over 3000b. The average player doesn't even earn 1b a day. And even if he earned 1b every day, it would take him... over 8 years to accumulate 3,000b. Only on itmes vs mobs. What about life skills? Another 8 years.

The average player doesn't even earn 1b a day.

Really? Tuvala timmy after 2-3 weeks of playing BDO can earn 600-700mil/h (confirmed by my friend who started some time ago as a total newbie). Then you have all free shit from events, login money, dice rolls etc. If that player can't reach 1b/day it means he play less than 1h/day or he "playing" by afking near heidel fountain. He can invest even $500k into a p2w but with such small amount of hours he will still be useless.

Be real - how many players will spend $3k for single item in the game? And I'm not even talking about $70k or more for obliterating (lol). Sure, there will be some of those people but tbh how they will even affect your gameplay? Most things in the game are capped anyway.

Spending $500k for life skill gear to then farm 500mil/h with that gear? Please, introduce me to someone who will do that xd

Also very important point is that even P2W players in most cases won't use that pity system to p2w because in most cases they will get success enchance before they reach that fails requirement. You need to understand that the fails requirement needed to get 100% enchance was set to be nearly not possible. 90% of players (even P2W players) will success before that so it does not change anything in p2w aspect besides of that they will know for sure that after x amount of money they will get that item (but probably much faster).

On the other hand it will help players that have terrible luck. For sure more people will quit the game because they failed 20 times pen deboreka than people who will spend $3k to get that pen debo.

With time you will learn to not take his posts seriously. He has no clues at all, maybe plaing some pirate BDO server. The problem is his post misleads new players, but what can admins do?

I've heard it for the hundredth time and still no one has shown proof how playing tuvala generates 1b only from trash  in an hour. No agris (because it burns up to 20 minutes in some zones), no scrolls (because we're talking about new players who don't have them), no op class, and no pseudo drops, because no one who use brain sells caphrases or black stones because they are needed later, and this is the only drop on end game maps.

Still forget what I wrote: even if you earn 1b a day, you will earn the above-mentioned 3000b after 8 years. ROTFL, after 8 years. It is not even known whether bdo will exist for another 8 years.

Ask those who have spent in BDO 50-100k or even more (there are some).

How many players will spend 70 on a carrack skin? It turned out that there were plenty.

What evidence do you have for this? I had 5 failures in a row at 25% when trying Fallen God on Pri. And here we are talking about a 5-7% chance and lack of profitability after 10 fails because the 11th fail exceeds value of the pen item.

You see, even you understand that the entire enchantment system in bdo makes no sense:

1. enchant with crons - too expensive compared to the price of the resulting item

2. enchant without crons - impossible due to unrealistically low chance of success

3. enchant with IS crons - ridiculously expensive

4. grinding and purchasing - impossible to obtain due to the time period.

Period.

Did you expect it to be that easy? :)

Did you know there are spots that do not consume that much Agris? :) Yeah. So much for a "living encyclopedia".

Loot scrolls are very frequently on giveaways anyway and it's not a big deal.

Keep hating, keep failing.

It is only a game tbh.  Maybe worry about other things than what other people are doing.  That can really become a self absorbing circle of misery :)

Just to put that in perspective.  I would rather spend thousands on a 57 ultrawide screen monitor and even more rgb stuff than on the chance to get items in a game.  I know that everyone is different, but I look at it from the point that I own the monitor and rgb stuff and no-one can suddenly switch off a server and all is gone.  You really own nothing in the game apart from the ability to play it and if Pearl Abyss one day decides to close down BDO or sell it on, then you might just lose all that work, money and effort.  I prefer tangible and find the P2W argument in gaming a bit strange :)

I thought the idea behind caph stones was a step process to PEN, however it turned more into putting insane amout of caphs into your pen to make it good or to then burn  those to make a new type of armor that you then have the same awful (or worse) odds of enchanting.  This in affect makes caph step progress dead again.

I almost never have paid for cron stones, I save them up from give-aways and all the other ways they drop in game (Thanks Cron-moth) This means my PEN or similar attempts are so far between.  I'll never catch up this passively, but it's the way I do it because I don't choose to pay $ or be stressed about it.

This new idea I think will not play out as it seems as other systems have and is not unlike giving away free dream horses - a slap in the face to all those that spent countless hours, silver, and $ to achieve it.

Enchanting in this game has always been a Fed up system and they always try and change it but ends up being same more or less frustration.

you shit on him, but as it is you either grind debos yourself or quit bdo, cuz you sure as hell aint gonna get pen debo in near future from CM.