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Same Turd, different package.
Sep 5, 2023, 10:42 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Sep 5, 2023, 10:44 (UTC)
# 1

BDO Weight and Inventory Slots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KMbTUwpwbI

BDO's Inconveniences you can fix via the Cash Shop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtxY9J3AM_s

Also, Hi to all other specifically DESIGNED inconveniences (Fairy/Pet/Enchantment/Advanced Loot Scrolls in Cash Shop/MP Tax/Skill Change/Nader Parchment/Character Slots/Wharf+Sailor+Worker Slots/Crystal Presets and Slots/Tent) that PA has put in the game so that they can sell you a solution to under the guise of challenge or realism. Sometimes I really wonder if all of these inconveniences are more than 5% of PA's total cash shop income compared to the 95% coming from costumes in NA. We can shoot lasers out of our backsides and have flying horses & ancient mechs, but cannot create a bag of holding or just employ a frecking squire (like the knights of old) to take care of all of the tediousness for us?

Basically, everything in the cash shop apart from Apparel is fixing a problem they created purposefully so that they can sell you a solution. Heck, even the apparel section - considering the ingame design of `Dim Tree` which was the best armor in the game for quite a while.

I don't expect any of these things will be fixed ever unless PA has a serious change of Design Philosophy and Management, which I don't foresee happening in the approachable future - considering that NA/EU bringing them the majority of their funds is not affecting them in any way whatsoever.. Just interested in the 3 cents of the community/CMs/GMs and how much they've been PTSD-ed by PA to parrot their arguments on the topic(s), namely: "It's been getting better, week by week ... after 7 years :D", "But you get free stuff if you play long enough", "but it's a f2p game, how do you expect them to make money?", "well, its KR games, its always been like this", "Ive suffered for so long - I want everyone to suffer the same", "you don't have to pay if you don't want to" or my favorite "it's not THAT inconvenient". It's gonna be fun(ny) since most of the forum andies don't even read the entire article and won't even get to this part but will parrot one of these sentiments. Sometimes I feel like a really solid chunk of the most vocal users on the forum and reddit are actually PA plants here to sow discord so that players can't mobilize against these practices and remain distracted with issues that are not relevant whatsoever to the major enjoyment of the game.

Anyway, thats my rant for the day. Mby I'll come back with productive ideas (again) sometimes in the future if CMs/GMs actually do their f-ing job one day and at least acknowledge that they will not be addressed in the next 3-5 years, or that they don't care about them as much to push them to the KR devs/PR team.

*Changed tittle, cus CMs love to delete articles that even have a semblance of a dirty word.

Last Edit : Sep 5, 2023, 11:04 (UTC)
# 2

How are you gonna make money ? You can't survive (not thrive) on cosmetics only, if you want your business be profitable you need to force users to pay you by applying restrictions - everyone doing this, every single company (paid subs for  car).

And yet, you still can play BDO w/o paying any money, w/o any real restictions, nothing is gated behind paywall.

Honestly i think everyone who complain about games being p2w is either think they center of universe and everyone owe them, or they jealous others can spend their money, or both, honestly i think both.

Last Edit : Sep 5, 2023, 11:23 (UTC)
# 3
On: Sep 5, 2023, 11:04 (UTC), Written by Potato

How are you gonna make money ? You can't survive (not thrive) on cosmetics only, if you want your business be profitable you need to force users to pay you by applying restrictions - everyone doing this, every single company (paid subs for  car).

And yet, you still can play BDO w/o paying any money, w/o any real restictions, nothing is gated behind paywall.

Honestly i think everyone who complain about games being p2w is either think they center of universe and everyone owe them, or they jealous others can spend their money, or both, honestly i think both.

I've paid over $250 in BDO over the years, and the only thing to fight the inconvenience was the tent. I gave them the rest of the money {for pure cosmetics} since they deserved it comparatively to the time I put into the game, while still wearing the Orzeca costume 98% of my time in-game.

There are many games that thrive with cosmetics only, way way way better than BDO. There are many f2p games that thrive with every single convenience baked into the game and no micro-transactions whatsoever, they just keep bringing in new players because their games are fun and well-designed. The fact that you're defending the practice shows that you're either a PA plant, or the ptsd has seeped so deep into your veins that you've hypernormalized the abuse to an absurd level "Well, at least my dad is only beating me on Sundays now - it used to be every day!"

If you bothered to watch the videos, you'd see your exact arguments addressed. If you bothered reading to the end of the article, you wouldn't have come across as a PA shill who does the exact thing I predicted you'd do. Just lol dude...just lol.

Last Edit : Sep 5, 2023, 11:26 (UTC)
# 4
On: Sep 5, 2023, 11:04 (UTC), Written by Potato

everyone doing this, every single company (paid subs for  car).

A car you BOUGHT and are supposed to OWN fully. The fact that you think this is normal because "Thats capitalism dawg" is ming-boggling to me, even if you are a PA employee.

Luckily, EU laws differ from the red-scared NA yanks and these kinds of practices are getting curb-stomped left and right...at least for now.

Last Edit : Sep 5, 2023, 16:04 (UTC)
# 5

I don't think you can claim that 95% of their money comes from costumes without acknowledging that most of those costumes are bought to melt for crons/sell on MP.

Which in my opinion is the most BS of the "convenience" mechanics.

There are also real constraints in the game that don't allow them to expand certain things past a certain point (like storage/inventory is 192 slots max)

Now, let's look at options to sort out your inconveniences:

- They give each char and each storage 192 slots out of the box (remove storage expansion as an option from houses)

- They remove weight from trashloot

- They add the max viable amount of slots to stables/wharves

I'm not sure what you want to do about fairies, but I want the ability to raise multiple fairies and swap them out as needed.

I'm not sure about the other stuff, so curious to hear your ideas.

And once that is all sorted out, how *do* they make money?  You say you've spent $250.00 on the game.  Your profile was created in 2018, so about 50/year.  Is that enough to run an MMO?

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Last Edit : Sep 6, 2023, 20:24 (UTC)
# 7

i dont mind at all, rice eaters these days

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Last Edit : Sep 6, 2023, 22:42 (UTC)
# 8
On: Sep 5, 2023, 16:04 (UTC), Written by Alnilam

        I don't think you can claim that 95% of their money comes from costumes without acknowledging that most of those costumes are bought to melt for crons/sell on MP.

         Which in my opinion is the most BS of the "convenience" mechanics.

         There are also real constraints in the game that don't allow them to expand certain things past a certain point (like storage/inventory is 192 slots max)

          

Now, let's look at options to sort out your inconveniences:

       

- They give each char and each storage 192 slots out of the box (remove storage expansion as an option from houses)

- They remove weight from trashloot

- They add the max viable amount of slots to stables/wharves

       

I'm not sure what you want to do about fairies, but I want the ability to raise multiple fairies and swap them out as needed.

       

I'm not sure about the other stuff, so curious to hear your ideas.

      

And once that is all sorted out, how *do* they make money?  You say you've spent $250.00 on the game.  Your profile was created in 2018, so about 50/year.  Is that enough to run an MMO?

        I can claim that since it was in one of PAs earnings reports a couple of years ago. I doubt it's changed much over the years and its also kind of logical that costumes (aka Crons) will override everything else just by the virtue of {whales} being able to spend more money on it extensively. I never denied it's for melting, nor said that the ability (aka "convenience") of melting is a-OK (even though it's better than other KR p2w shops somewhat).

Feel free to dig around and find out if you wanna go through their insanely boring & obtuse presentations:
https://www.pearlabyss.com/en-US/IR/Data/Performance

https://www.pearlabyss.com/en-US/IR/Announcement

        Agreed. Especially in consideration of their initial promises about Cron stones from costumes not being available in EU/NA. Especially taking into account that they are about to buff the p2w value while increasing the NPC cron price because of *inflation* kek.

       I really don't know about this, it's just what PA claims (just like Bliz claims that they can't do more than 2 inventory pages for d4). It seems like a design/architecture setup problem, rather than an engine/server limitation. We also can't know if it exists in the first place, it's not like these companies are really transparent in what's an actual limitation, and what their bad design combined with cost-saving measures in development or infrastructure.

Especially if you consider that you can have 192 Apparel Bags in your inventory which would expand your inventory extensively. Something that I had to do trying to obtain every single Sorc costume in the game since they just don't fit in the pearl inventory \-_-/

      I'd say I'm pretty much on par with what you've listed. 192 slots can be OK only if they make stuff way more stackable than they currently are - which seems like an intentional design to sell slots that they are now "QoL" addressing.

A blanket *fix* for me to make any and all available game mechanics to be gained in-game, going so far as to create a connected economy between the ingame and the cash shop (alla LA does). The loyalty shop, its amount limitations and item rotation simply doesn't cut it for this.

      Oh god, I love this argument.. How will the multi-billion-dollar $ corporation keep their numbers going up? Think of J's Buggatis guys! Buggatis - plural.

Well, first off, do they even need to keep going up? I know that's the incentive for the current capitalism paradigm, but is it really necessary to have a good company, happy employees, and an appropriate product? But let's step away from this argument before the Yanks have a red-scare aneurysm and go into the obvious.

There are dozens of f2p and/or *pay-once-to-own* games that are doing just fine without any p2w/convenience mechanics in their cash shop whatsoever. They make their money in a very simple way:

1. They make players playing the game reward them by offering interesting cosmetics.

2. They constantly bring new players into the game by having an interesting game loop.

The saddest part is that PA has both of these. What they are deciding to do with it though, is poop on the entire community endorsement they've gained over the last year or so by doing changes that are obviously a switch towards their former direction. PA is literally doing a *crypto rug pull* by working down p2w for a year to gain a good grace and then immediately going back to their most controversial (p2w) changes as soon as they've reached some alleged peak.

Even sadder than this is that the gaming community at large has been conditioned to start perceiving cash-shop-convenience, pay2subscribe-but-not-own, and battle pass economic designs because that's the norm AAA companies have decided is best for shareholder profits - even though it's running decades loved companies down to the ground. This was not the norm and companies did just fine. This shouldn't be the norm, but players seem to far gone down the rabbit hole to be able to imagine any alternative. As many rational reviewers said about BG3, this is not the new norm for games, but rather a blip that will fade away as soon as it came.

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