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Do not rework GvGs in the way it was announced!
Sep 6, 2023, 17:38 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Sep 18, 2023, 20:16 (UTC)
# 371
On: Sep 13, 2023, 22:51 (UTC), Written by BlackDesertTeam

Greetings Jonneyfive,

First of all, we would like to thank you and all our Adventurers in North America and Europe for the many opinions and suggestions you've sent to us. Prior to the update, we had a lot of discussions internally about the change as it was likely to be a controversial one.

As informed through the September 6th website notice, we have made many updates to address the problem of one-sided conflicts/harassing in the past such as increasing the silver fee for maintaining a guild war, guild protection systems, etc. to try to find a better balance. However, because such problems continued to persist, we ultimately came to the decision to go through with this update.

But, this isn't to say that this is the end-all. We're going to continue to keep an eye on any emerging situations so we can make improvements and updates as needed.

Thank you again for your feedback.

I haven't seen such a problem with one-sided wars or player harassment before.
In fact, sometimes something could happen, but these were isolated cases.
Declaring war was one thing that could help with the griffers.
From now on, people enter spots and destroy your rotations and you can't do anything to them.
And adding marni realm does not help because it is not available all the time and the space is sometimes not enough.

PA change these changes. The change did more harm than good.

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Glinek
Last Edit : Sep 19, 2023, 04:04 (UTC)
# 372

This games become vastly more boring since this change, def thinking of quitting and just trying out gw2. Legit cannot find any decent pvp on this game anymore, arsha dead asf.

Last Edit : Sep 19, 2023, 16:03 (UTC)
# 373
On: Sep 19, 2023, 04:04 (UTC), Written by NotAvailable

This games become vastly more boring since this change, def thinking of quitting and just trying out gw2. Legit cannot find any decent pvp on this game anymore, arsha dead asf.

"Any decent pvp" was, then, declaring on gearlets? You won't find decent pvp in gw2 either, then. As there's no such thing there (or wasn't, last time I played). You'll have to settle for rather consensual butt-boinking if you go gw2. Other than that, hey! Hoping for you that the grass is greener on the other side!

Last Edit : Sep 19, 2023, 16:18 (UTC)
# 374
On: Sep 16, 2023, 14:23 (UTC), Written by Kuree

Fighting at grind spots was both fun and frustrating but it brought some of the best PvP between guilds. Nowadays, players would rather take the low road and use malicious tactics to prevent another player from challenging them for the spot; such as feeding them to monsters to grinding over them. I think the players had a lot more respect for each other back then than now and that's probably why we've reached this point.

Well, one-sided war decs are one of those tactics, imo. My point being that, if you enjoy being challenged during your grind time, you can just swap to Arsha, no need for war decs, cus there's no karma penalty for flagging up there, right? Unless the intention is to gear check your opponents. On the topic of Arsha, there are a lot of voices complaining that it's dead af and the only joy of pvp to be found is on normal channels. These changes can fix that too.

On: Sep 16, 2023, 14:23 (UTC), Written by Kuree

And now

We see the addition of the 12h~ Marni's Realm and the heavy restrictions on open world PvP (GvGs). The Marni's Realm change is definitely a positive for the game, however it comes at a cost; a very large, empty and almost meaningless open world environment. It feels like World of Warcraft but worse because this game is strongly advertised as an open world MMORPG. Factor in the poorly designed karma system and the new rules to how guild wars work, you've now got a game where players do not want to exist in the open world anymore; there is little reason to. So why even have a vast open world with beautiful visuals at all?

There are definitely many new players that are enjoying this game but at the same time, there are many long-time players who have experienced the game during its early years who are now disappointed to see the game shrink and deviate from its original form.

You can't enjoy the vast open world's beautiful visuals for two reasons. First, they've been constantly optimized into potato mode to compensate for more content and 2nd, you can't enjoy them if you're constantly deaded either, cus, you know, the revive screen isn't allowing for more scenery take-in.

I'd go as far as to add that back in 2017, the gearscore difference wasn't that impactful. The skills' damage was a bit lower too, making the fights a bit more interesting. Not much joy, nor fun in being jumped on and 1-comboed by someone 50-100 GS above you. Hell, even on relatively equal gear, the fights are not duels at times, but rather a 1-grab-1-death thing. Way back when, back when tri Kzarka was BiS gear, the average players were having fun fighting, because... well, you could still stand up after a graple or 3, after a kd or 3. Now?

All good memberberrying the 2017 times, but a lot has changed. Not just players' attitude towards each other. Maybe a good change that could come on the heels of this new environment would be a loot and exp scaling for party grinding in all spots. I mean, seeing how you can't enter Marni with your party members...
 

Last Edit : Sep 19, 2023, 20:12 (UTC)
# 375

GG

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Frixs
Last Edit : Sep 20, 2023, 07:03 (UTC)
# 376
On: Sep 19, 2023, 20:12 (UTC), Written by Frixs

GG

LOL, you are showing how players opposed to the recent changes try to make others miserable? Even though they try to sell their position as a resistance to griefers, they use the exact same griefing to make their point? What sense does that make?

This reminds me of a real story: In my country, a terrorist was sentenced to 10 years is prison. This old guy was afraid that migrant terrorists may come here that he tried to raise the fear of them by sabotaging a passenger train. There was no other terrorist attack, only this guy.

Or is this a fabricated story? The way the B guy feels the need to explain the situation - very explicitly to everyone possibly reading this - do you think this comes off as natural exchange? Moreover, the B guy knows grinding over someone is griefing (as he refers to the recent changes), but he asks "what griefing"?

Oh boy. You guys need to get better in this... Play less, study more or something...

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Last Edit : Sep 19, 2023, 22:23 (UTC)
# 377
On: Sep 19, 2023, 21:47 (UTC), Written by Asm

LOL, you are showing how two people, both opposed to the recent changes, make each other's life miserable? So you just show that your group likes to try find various ways of annoying others? Or is this simply a fabricated story? The way the guy feels the need to explain the situation - very explicitly to everyone possibly reading this - makes me think this is a mere fabrication. Moreover, the guy clearly knows grinding over someone is griefing (as he refers to the recent changes), but he still asks "what griefing"?

Boy... oh boy. You guys need to get better in this... play less, study more or something...

It happens all the times now. I've had it myself too.

And this morning a friend of mine got a guy incoming on his rotation, saying nothing. My mate proposed him "DFS?" and the guy just answered "Fuck you" twice.

Those are not isolated cases: in his guild too, in mine also, over different discords, we can hear about people just taking advantage of the last update and discard all respect by saying "Fuck you!", even not a "Hello" or anything else. Just the polite expression FY...

I say it again: I'm not again the one side gvg IF there's also a way to defend against griefers with no penalties. (I'm only talking about guys coming over a rotation already taken, not bullies who wanna take over and call the first guy on place the griefer).

If a rotation is taken, there should be some protection, a flag or something, that allows for 1 hour to fight anyone who comes after, during this hour, without losing karma. You're just defending in your zone, normal. Such a system should have been put in the first place, instead of all those instanced Marnis...

Last Edit : Sep 19, 2023, 23:35 (UTC)
# 378

Doesnt even need to be. I guess some peoples are so mad about the changes, that they became now self griefers to prove that changes were bad. I mean, how long we have now the season server? And why everythings is going fine there? I mean 3 servers for almost all players that do season. And i did at least 6 or 7 seasons. Never met any griefer there. And with that fast respawn times....  So if griefing is raising up, than its maybe because some mad players want to prove that changes where bad. I still love this game, even i am not happy with all changes. But GvG was a good one. Because real griefers that are griefing intentionally arent in a guild, just to do as much harm as possible. All others dont know it better, are new or just mad. I mean how easy is it, to send a friend to another guild for spy them, just to declare a war on them, as the friend can tell them on what server the members are. How much a one sided war declaration can be misused a lot peoples didnt saw. It never happened to me, but i bet it happened to others. Because one of my members was scared of a war dec. But why he was scared? Because it seems in a guild before they got hunted down, but for that they need to know the server. Isnt it strange, when the one and same opponent always knows what server they are? I know the Velia Tavern Guy to find out where a player is, but for that they need to be on same server. But even that wasnt needed if a spy was placed in that guild. And again, to prevent get griefed, there is Marnis and even on normal Map, respawn times are that fast, that peoples dont need to grind half of the map anymore. On seasons at least for me was always fine and never had any problems there, but on normal servers neither, but maybe i am just lucky.

Am 19. Sep 2023, 21:47 (UTC), von Asm

Or is this a fabricated story?

Last Edit : Sep 20, 2023, 07:08 (UTC)
# 379
On: Sep 19, 2023, 22:22 (UTC), Written by PriseElectrique

It happens all the times now. I've had it myself too.

And this morning a friend of mine got a guy incoming on his rotation, saying nothing. My mate proposed him "DFS?" and the guy just answered "Fuck you" twice.

Those are not isolated cases: in his guild too, in mine also, over different discords, we can hear about people just taking advantage of the last update and discard all respect by saying "Fuck you!", even not a "Hello" or anything else. Just the polite expression FY...

I say it again: I'm not again the one side gvg IF there's also a way to defend against griefers with no penalties. (I'm only talking about guys coming over a rotation already taken, not bullies who wanna take over and call the first guy on place the griefer).

If a rotation is taken, there should be some protection, a flag or something, that allows for 1 hour to fight anyone who comes after, during this hour, without losing karma. You're just defending in your zone, normal. Such a system should have been put in the first place, instead of all those instanced Marnis...

Well, yeah, I am perfectly fine with reinforcing the first-come first-served system. I guess this has been, in fact, how this works in KR. However, we Europeans seem to be quite creative when it comes to developing diverse forms of griefing from generic game mechanics.

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Last Edit : Sep 20, 2023, 07:42 (UTC)
# 380
On: Sep 20, 2023, 07:01 (UTC), Written by Asm

Well, yeah, I am perfectly fine with reinforcing the first-come first-served system. I guess this has been, in fact, how this works in KR. However, we Europeans seem to be quite creative when it comes to developing diverse forms of griefing from generic game mechanics.

We found him boys, the man who invented griefing. Don't fall over congratulating yourself there bud, from what I've seen from you Eu people griefing, you don't even know how to. Step aside, I'm a true professional at my craft. And what're they gonna do about it? Dec me? LOL

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