Strangly I see things way diferent. When I play sorc (on wich I dont have much expirience) I way way slipery. I can more easy go in blob and leave alive than kuno. You talk about grab and stealth, that both skills are totaly useles when there are more than one players against you, not even gona mention RBF and NWs... Sorc can run away as good as kuno dude exept its not so hungry to stamina. Sorc at the bottom ? are you mistaken sorc with kuno. Kuno is class that almost none plays anymore, class that people give as example for bad performance... Go to any RBF and see how many sorcs just jokes with 42343 people around them and ask why there is no single kuno in RBF.

I realy dont know what to say. Its like you and me, we play diferent games. And yes I dont mind sorc to get a grab if kuno gets infa i-frames like sorc.

I am feeling the same way you are in terms of questioning if we are playing the same game, except with the reverse observation of what you describe. What u are describing seems inconsistent with my own experience. Perhaps we are not from the same region. I can only speak from NA's perspective. Here in pvp you are far more likely to encounter kuno/ninja than sorc. There are still some around but most have rerolled or don't bother with pvp anymore, but some still do, certainly not as many as kuno/ninja.

Take for example AOS rankings, for no particular reason other than there not being other readily available pvp data. In NA there are literally 0x sorcs in the top 100 positions; for kunos it is 2x; ninja has 3x, the latter having one currently in first place even. I don't  know what region you are from but it probably will not be too different from these quantitites?

As for sorc having higher performance in pvp, I simply cannot grant you that unless you show far better hard statistics than I have. It is just not consistent with reality to expect a class like sorc, which is essentially a highly nerfed kuno/ninja in terms of mobility, stealth, engage/disingage, and of course lacking a grab skill, will be falling behind a ninja/kuno who do have those abilities. It is just not consistent with expectations nor what is actually observed in pvp.

Yep Im from EU. And here kuno is rare sight. From a week there are three kunos in RBF including me, and I play a lot DK too.And to clarify - Im talking about their performance in open world, NWs and RBF. AOS is not BDO. I mean AOS has its own gear and stats. For AOS I can agree what you talk. Many sorcss were complaining that the class is terrible, not bad but terrible. And we had a kuno n1 for a while. So maybe thats the reasons we see things diferent.

Go for the second (2) option!

Everybody wants that option.

I-frames aren't a status ailment though so why would they ever even say that? Since you obviously didn't know I will educate you on what a status ailment is. A status ailment is a crowd control also known as a CC and grab being the only form of CC that goes through SA and FG would obviously make it the stand out status ailment. Which is exactly why they created i-frames to counter grabs. I-frame classes are generally better against grab classes WHICH IS LITERALLY UNDENIABLE seeing as how the only protection a grab won't go through is an I-frame. Grabs have been addressed before in the past and that is why they have longer cooldowns less range and smaller hitboxes and in most cases leave the user vulnerable. You all would have hated old bdo if you think grabs are bad now. I-frames are a get out of literally any and everything free card and as far as your grabs are op routine look up actual statistics from the last couple seasons of AoS it is not dominated by grab classes despite all the constant claims that "grabs are an instant win button". Their isn't a single class with a grab that can take the title of king of 1v1s in this game. We all know it's the perma i-frame sorc who has no grab oddly enough but even more strange is that Musa with no grabs and barely any i-frames to speak of had the most wins in AoS last season. Facts are facts and the numbers prove that grabs are not the end all be all in this games PvP despite the fact that about 2/3rd of all classes have a grab. This game's combat is so beloved because it has relatively easy to grasp basics but the pvp skill waters run as deep as a person is willing to go. A person who has mastered their own class can do some down right nasty things and their are people like that on ALL the classes. That is literal proof that there is skill involved in these outcomes. PvP in this game has entirely way to many factors/variables involved with things like unique class to class modifiers, resistances, positioning, pressuring, baiting, SA trading, FG punishing, and the list goes on and on. To even try to make it out to be as simple as run at a person and press a button to win is just about as disengenuous and biased as you could get on this subject. Saying grabs are the king of status ailments is like saying the sun is hot. Saying i-frames don't counter grabs is just straight false however when the people who made this game literally tell you it does in game. The team you are agreeing with has already established grabs are the king of status ailments AND that i-frames are the only protection that grabs can't go through. Both are true. Classes that get to counter grabs should never have grabs to begin with and if they get them then they need to have their i-frames turned into SA like everyone else or everyone else who didnt have i-frames should get some of your i-frame action for the sake of balance right? Sorc mobility being low is the only saving grace for PvP. A you better run or die situation isn't really fair now is it? It's pretty unfair to counter grabs while also having one of your own.