Me lying? Ok fine lets take it from this angle since I DID SAY A AVG. OF 60M/HOUR.

Outside of the viable silver/hour spots for 180AP to 240AP. Are you serious going to tell these people. That without Agris, or lootscrolls, or drop event. That they will make more than a average of 60m/hour. Like really? Ok fine lets take this from the other angle. Would you be kind enough to educate us on the name of these spots?

You are actually arguing with people who are so dumb. That they think them being RNG carried to get full PEN in one day equal skill. And they think everyone who is getting fucked over by RNG progression is lazy. Quite some months ago PeaceInChaos was bragging about their luck getting massive drops and enhancement success. They are so disconnected from reality that they are a lost cause.

Here are the brutal facts. One person can grind for about 15 hours and get full PEN Tuvala gear. Meanwhile another person can hardcore grind for over 700 hours on Seasonal servers and no get a single PEN. But if you listen to these meatheads. They'll have you thinking the person who got Full PEN in 15 hours is highly skilled. Meanwhile the person who hardcore grinded for 700 hours is just lazy. Again it's because not only they are just dumb, but are also so disconnected from reality. Because the game just rains success on them.

Any body who are consistantly getting the short straw. While watching others consistantly get handed free progression for next to no effort. Will ofcourse be highly disgrauntled. Maybe to the point they just flatout quit the game.

Far as what these guys claim. Most of it is complete and utter BS. Full PEN seasonal gear don't get you anywhere close to being ready to defend your spot. From 650+ GS players looking for treasure peices at spots made for low gearscore players. Pushing them out to grind at spots that only earn a avg. of 60M/hour. To be PvP ready you'll need about 200 Billion silver in gear to just be somewhat viable. That increases everytime these Devs want to increase the gear gap. 

They will make it. 100% guaranteed. 

You're lying because you're angry at the game and want to spread hate but... BDO is nowhere as hardcore as you're suggesting, and it's getting even less hardcore by the time. 

Did you just call me dumb? Listen up you lying good for nothing hating crybaby, who's living in his own world and who is incompetent at everything. Again. RNG is NOT skill-based as I have said before-do you agree? Next: If you want to get to the Tuvala's top, there IS a way to, only if you know how to do that. Make a tuvala gear at least to TRI. Make failstacks too. Get reserves and enhance on the too. You have Time-lost black stones, Tuvala Ore and refined black stones at your disposal. Read what they do. It will tell you, how to plan your own strategy. Albeit the enhancing is RNG, it's not a rocket science to understand it's NOT impossible. If players can get to the top, so do you for X amount of time.

And the most important thing is-keep farming mats like everyone else does. Don't spend a single pearl on enhancing-noob trap at best. And for the love of... Stop throwing insults there and there for your own incompetence.

One, I never said BDO was hardcore. Two, I don't care about spreading hate. Three, you guys have still not answered the simple question. WITHOUT ANY ITEM DROP RATE BUFF OR EVENT, OUTSIDE OF THE VIABLE 180AP TO 240AP ZONES WHERE CAN YOU MAKE DECENT SILVER/HOUR, EXP, or SP? Since you guys are saying I'm wrong. Than please do educate us.

First off you fuckwad, I never mentioned your name. So in actuality you are suggesting and insulting yourself. Way to go genus!

Second, I never once said that said won't make. I simply said..................

Which is far different from what you are trying to claim what I said.

Gotcha.

If BDO is not hardcore, your whole rambling about BDO crumbles. 

And for your question... Play the game. Since you yourself mentioned viable zones you should know where to go, right? 

One, I never said BDO was hardcore. Two, I don't care about spreading hate. Three, you guys have still not answered the simple question. WITHOUT ANY ITEM DROP RATE BUFF OR EVENT, OUTSIDE OF THE VIABLE 180AP TO 240AP ZONES WHERE CAN YOU MAKE DECENT SILVER/HOUR, EXP, or SP? Since you guys are saying I'm wrong. Than please do educate us.

Taking your own words.

"outside of the viable 180AP to 240AP zones"? 

What is this nonsense? You already know the viable spots and you want me to mention them? And I'm the one trolling? XD

Don't bother. You know I'm right and you don't like the fact that I'm destroying your lies. Easily.