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Can we have the Ghillie change be implemented on live servers please?
19. Aug 2021, 15:37 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Aug 2021, 10:00 (UTC)
# 51
On: Aug 21, 2021, 06:17 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs

Buy yourself something be it in the game or RL. Get a purchase, which was supposed to do one thing. Then find out it does another thing later-something different from your expectations or it's actually damaged/broken. What do you do?

I'm going to ask you, how you would feel when the time comes.

 

Sorta like how people bought BDO paying for one thing, then PA added the ghilie, and costume melting ruining the game?

We got jilted first..They are just restoring the balance we paid for with a buy to play game, that wasnt supposed to have paid advantages. People gonna have the same complaint if the class reboot negates FPS advantages?

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Aug 2021, 10:08 (UTC)
# 52
On: Aug 21, 2021, 09:50 (UTC), Written by Kynreaa

 

We got jilted first..They are just restoring the balance we paid for with a buy to play game, that wasnt supposed to have paid advantages.

"Balance". You got jilted first, then somebody decides to do the same by only thinking for himself. Nice. You got your revenge. Are you happy?

What is "balance" I wonder these days? As I have said in my essay: Nobody ever tried to think from two angles(or more). And there is a saying here in my country: "Търсите под вола теле." And if I should try to translate this to you, it would mean something like: "Youre looking for a calf under the ox." The answer lied elsewhere to your problems, without even the need to purchase a ghillie. From which both parties can benefit from it. And again as I have said in my essay, I will keep this to myself, since nobody bothered or wasn't interested at least one bit.

 

Just admit it. Most of you here failed to reach a consensus with the other group. Now collect the fruit you've made. The damage is already done.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Aug 2021, 10:48 (UTC)
# 53
 
On: Aug 21, 2021, 10:08 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs

"Balance". You got jilted first, then somebody decides to do the same by only thinking for himself. Nice. You got your revenge. Are you happy?

What is "balance" I wonder these days? As I have said in my essay: Nobody ever tried to think from two angles(or more). And there is a saying here in my country: "Търсите под вола теле." And if I should try to translate this to you, it would mean something like: "Youre looking for a calf under the ox." The answer lied elsewhere to your problems, without even the need to purchase a ghillie. From which both parties can benefit from it. And again as I have said in my essay, I will keep this to myself, since nobody bothered or wasn't interested at least one bit.

 

Just admit it. Most of you here failed to reach a consensus with the other group. Now collect the fruit you've made. The damage is already done.

What you propose sounds expencive, and would have me closing back up my wallet after all this time.

This IS the zero sum solution.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Aug 2021, 11:56 (UTC)
# 54
On: Aug 21, 2021, 10:44 (UTC), Written by Kynreaa

What you propose sounds expencive, and would have me closing back up my wallet after all this time.

This IS the zero sum solution.

ROFL. If you tried to be a fortune teller, you're fake. You don't know what I was going to say. Why don't you give another guess?

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Aug 2021, 12:55 (UTC)
# 55
On: Aug 21, 2021, 11:55 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs

ROFL. If you tried to be a fortune teller, you're fake. You don't know what I was going to say. Why don't you give another guess?

Uh-huh, No fortune telling required.

My first guess is its something else besides whats happening now, thus developing some other solution i cant forsee being better then this one, some other solution that may cost players money if any more dev time is wasted on it.

If thats not accurate then, please enlighten us. Perhaps you have got the Einstien solution thats cost zero more $$'s to implament then whats already been spent now.

 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Aug 2021, 13:22 (UTC)
# 56
On: Aug 21, 2021, 12:51 (UTC), Written by Kynreaa

Uh-huh, No fortune telling required.

My first guess is its something else besides whats happening now, thus developing some other solution i cant forsee being better then this one, some other solution that may cost players money if any more dev time is wasted on it.

If thats not accurate then, please enlighten us. Perhaps you have got the Einstien solution thats cost zero more $'s to implament then whats already been spent now.

All right. Let's save ourselves a needless spam. What do you say? The reality is that you're not in the mood either and you're trying to guess in vain what I have "stored". It's pointless to say anything for many reasons now. And judging by the way you posted this, doesn't give me any hopes that you'll read, what I am going to say, without any consideration. Waste of time. I am reachable on EU. Whenever you feel like visiting from time to time, try to find me. But if it's going to be something like: "hello there, nub." or anything like that, please... Don't waste my time.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Aug 2021, 13:30 (UTC)
# 57
On: Aug 21, 2021, 13:22 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs

All right. Let's save ourselves a needless spam. What do you say? The reality is that you're not in the mood either and you're trying to guess in vain what I have "stored". It's pointless to say anything for many reasons now. And judging by the way you posted this, doesn't give me any hopes that you'll read, what I am going to say, without any consideration. Waste of time. I am reachable on EU. Whenever you feel like visiting from time to time, try to find me. But if it's going to be something like: "hello there, nub." or anything like that, please... Don't waste my time.

Its why its called a zero sum solution..a win/win, neither of us got our way.

I want P2w gone, you have some solution you're keeping to ur self.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 23. Aug 2021, 19:15 (UTC)
# 58
On: Aug 20, 2021, 11:42 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs

Ah. The camouflage problem(a.k.a ghillie suits). Hate me if you want, call me whatever you like, but I am going to type this here:

 

You wanted the ghillie to be er… ehem… Nerfed. A change came with showing the default nameplate“Unknown adventurer”. You wanted this. Good job, congrats. However this change was a short sighted decision. Nothing ever comes without a conscequence. Nobody ever thought about looking from a different perspective. Ask yourselves the following: “What if I had a ghillie suit myself(from x amount of time period)? How is it going to function after that?”

 

I didn’t read all of the suggestions on the forums in the past, but if I am to guess all of you did or at least tried to solve a problem and perhaps ,if not all many of you were stopping at one decision from only a single perspective. After the ghillie suits had a default nameplate, this was like showing a gigantic arrow above one’s head, which can be seen from kilometers away. “Hey! Look at me! I am right here!” And this is what is happening, the ghillie suit is not considered as a camouflage anymore.

 

What is a “camouflage”?
-the disguising of military personnel, equipment, and installations by painting or covering them to make them blend in with their surroundings.
-hide or disguise the presence of (a person, animal, or object) by means of camouflage.
It’s function is to conceal, not make you easier to see by another. In other words-harder to spot. And that is the whole idea of the camo! Get it?!

 

Now this change is getting reverted. Because many players complained, that they gave their own money for one thing that functions as intended. If it’s a damaged product or it’s something different and doing something different from what they want, even I wouldn’t even buy it at all! You didn’t pay to get a ghillie, because you don’t want it. All right. But what about those that have it? They spent their money on it. And now it doesn’t function as intended! Again. It’s like having a big arrows on top of their heads, pointing at them! This is completely broken and useless! It’s not worth anything! They have the right to ask for refunds(even if they won't get them sadly). And I am well aware that it won’t be possible! This was a big scam for them!

 

If I were you, I would look for a different answer somewhere else. I will keep this to myself for now, because I highly doubt you would try to see reason(which could benefit both parties with and without ghillies), considering that every anti-ghillie topic is a comedy show about who is an incompetent crybaby or has a big ego from/about every misfortune or w/e.

 

I had to let this out of my chest.

Gonna reply to your message as someone with a neutral opinion on the change (I don't really care).

 

About the concern of people not getting what they paid for, I think PA did the best job they could on this one to make the change that would "cover the most ground", so to speak.  The most "neutral" change possible, one that does not 100% alienate either side, but seeks to find a middle ground of compromise.

 

They way I see it, people who bought ghille for the camoflague effect, still have an advantage, to a cerain degree.  Their name-plate's original size is drastically reduced to a single line of text.  Instead of showing a blue guild name with large guild logo next to it, plus a white  family name, and a different colored character name, stacked on top of each other, ghille now just shows a single line of text.  This change still gives players a sense of anonymity, and still is harder to see than a normal nameplate for PvP, if one uses it for a PvP advantage.  Both sides get what they want, to a certain degree.

 

So IMO, even after the changes, ghille still offers a PvP advantage due to a much smaller nameplate than non-ghille.  And I like that.  I also like the fact that the PvP between ghille and non-ghille is evened out a little more.  So IMO, this change is the most neutral change that appeases the broader audience.

 

 

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