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Rent gear from marketplace
03. Sep 2021, 09:40 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 03. Sep 2021, 09:40 (UTC)
# 1

Why not add a section of items that can be rented for days?

For example: Player A puts Kzarka PEN in the rental market with 3 options:

[Rent for a day]  [Rent for a week]  [Rent for a month]

The average value of Kzarka PEN is currently 12.7B Each day would mean 0.5% of the average value it was posted

so player B who will use it would pay 0.5% of its average value at the time it was placed on the Market so it would be 63.5M.

 

[Kzarka PEN] current average price 12.7B

 

Player B with his options to temporarily acquire the weapon:

Rent for one day would be - 63.5M

Renting for a week would be - 444.5M

Rent for a month would be -1.9B

 

Player A was taxed:

Rent for one day would be - 53.6M

Renting for a week would be - 375.2M

Rent for a month would be -1.6B

 

 

[Ogre PEN] current average price 64B

Player B with his options to temporarily acquire the weapon:

Rent for a day would be - 320M

Renting for a week would be - 2.24B

Renting for a month would be -9.6B

 

Player A was taxed:

Rent for one day would be - 270.4M

Renting for a week would be - 1.89M

Rent for a month would be - 8.11B

 

 

 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 03. Sep 2021, 16:08 (UTC)
# 2

-=makes new account=-

 

-=runs to market and rents ALL the gear=-

 

-=goes to the main menu=-

 

-=transports character=-

 

-=signs out and never signs back in=-

 

-=all gear is gone=-

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 03. Sep 2021, 16:38 (UTC)
# 3
On: Sep 3, 2021, 16:08 (UTC), Written by ArchaicTriad

-=makes new account=-

 

-=runs to market and rents ALL the gear=-

 

-=goes to the main menu=-

 

-=transports character=-

 

-=signs out and never signs back in=-

 

-=all gear is gone=-

a new account is created and ? .. do you rent your own items? well if that's the case you can also buy your own items with a new account and re-sell them currently. even that wouldn't be prohibitive if you don't earn as much silver for creating an account initially even with events. and besides, you would have to spend euros to create a new account. it would always be necessary to play some time to rent a pen item for example. this for the work it must give nor should it be worth it for those who already make a good million/hour.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 03. Sep 2021, 17:31 (UTC)
# 4

Pointless tbh.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 05. Sep 2021, 04:00 (UTC)
# 5

 Good idea, tho it does change things. Would be easy to rent few pen a day tho everyone would have significant gear score increase. That would lead to more players in the higher AP Areas. Could complicate things i feel like rented gear would need to be slightly worse. So now we gota nerf the gear. Or atleast limited to one or two items. Because u could just farm a high end zone make few 100m with all pen. Do think that its good idea just needs balance to it and ship it-signed

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 05. Sep 2021, 04:33 (UTC)
# 6

I see no point to it personally 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Sep 2021, 06:36 (UTC)
# 7

No renting

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Sep 2021, 17:29 (UTC)
# 8
On: Sep 5, 2021, 04:33 (UTC), Written by Saletri

I see no point to it personally 

you don't see the point of it because maybe you don't need it, have you ever thought that there might be someone who does?  when that player wants an ogre pen and doesn't like to charm does he have to wait months to gather and buy?  so while gathering to buy I could go renting one.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Sep 2021, 18:41 (UTC)
# 9
On: Sep 6, 2021, 17:29 (UTC), Written by Desumilde

you don't see the point of it because maybe you don't need it, have you ever thought that there might be someone who does?  when that player wants an ogre pen and doesn't like to charm does he have to wait months to gather and buy?  so while gathering to buy I could go renting one.

I'm trying to imagine when or if I would ever have rented gear in this way.  

  

So let's say I am a newer player, renting a PEN Kzarka and a PEN Ogre, every day for a month.  Total rental cost about 11b.

  

Without it, let's say I am 269 AP. With the rental necklace and weapon, I'm 282 AP.  

  

Let's say I wanted to earn 1b silver per day via grinding that whole month. At 269 AP with no rentals, I could grind 4 hours daily of stars end, Biraghi Den, or Fogans for the entire month and earn 31b total, without any need to subtract rental costs.  Swamp Fogans has a garmoth.com average of 244m per hour, biraghi 238m per hour, star's end 284m per hour. 

  

If I rent the Kzarka and necklace, I'd need to average much higher numbers every day to pay for the margin of the rental and still come out on top of not renting at all. I'd need to earn 11b/31days = 354m more each day to make the rental costs breakeven, compared to not renting at all. So My new target is at least 1354m or 1.35b daily all month long instead of 1b -- and that will be the same net result due to rental costs.  

  

Kzarka + Ogre PEN is 13 more AP than their TET versions, 269AP to 282AP according to BigandShiny's PvE Damage calculator spreadsheet would equate to 13% more damage at Star's End, Bira Den. An increase of 13% damage, but you require to increase your revenue by 35% to pay for it.      

  

Doing only 13% more damage, if you grind the same amount of time you will be at a net loss due to rental costs relative to the extra profit of the better gear.  You'd need to grind 5 hours daily now, instead of 4, to break even and start to make a profit off of the rental. Or, you'd need to go to Orcs - but if you are renting gear you probably lack the DP too...

  

So I am not sure why you'd want to rent better gear? You'd need to make the costs subtantially cheaper to be worth it. And what active player would bother loaning out their gear? You'd just be encouraging geared players to go AFK for months at a time.   

  

This sort of system would trap newer players in a cycle of debt where they pay for their rental gear, breakeven, and falter intheir progression forward...

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Sep 2021, 19:30 (UTC)
# 10
 
On: Sep 6, 2021, 18:36 (UTC), Written by Veltas

I'm trying to imagine when or if I would ever have rented gear in this way.  

  

So let's say I am a newer player, renting a PEN Kzarka and a PEN Ogre, every day for a month.  Total rental cost about 11b.

  

Without it, let's say I am 269 AP. With the rental necklace and weapon, I'm 282 AP.  

  

Let's say I wanted to earn 1b silver per day via grinding that whole month. At 269 AP with no rentals, I could grind 4 hours daily of stars end, Biraghi Den, or Fogans for the entire month and earn 31b total, without any need to subtract rental costs.  Swamp Fogans has a garmoth.com average of 244m per hour, biraghi 238m per hour, star's end 284m per hour. 

  

If I rent the Kzarka and necklace, I'd need to average much higher numbers every day to pay for the margin of the rental and still come out on top of not renting at all. I'd need to earn 11b/31days = 354m more each day to make the rental costs breakeven, compared to not renting at all. So My new target is at least 1354m or 1.35b daily all month long instead of 1b -- and that will be the same net result due to rental costs.  

  

Kzarka + Ogre PEN is 13 more AP than their TET versions, 269AP to 282AP according to BigandShiny's PvE Damage calculator spreadsheet would equate to 13% more damage at Star's End, Bira Den. An increase of 13% damage, but you require to increase your revenue by 35% to pay for it.      

  

Doing only 13% more damage, if you grind the same amount of time you will be at a net loss due to rental costs relative to the extra profit of the better gear.  You'd need to grind 5 hours daily now, instead of 4, to break even and start to make a profit off of the rental. Or, you'd need to go to Orcs - but if you are renting gear you probably lack the DP too...

  

So I am not sure why you'd want to rent better gear? You'd need to make the costs subtantially cheaper to be worth it. And what active player would bother loaning out their gear? You'd just be encouraging geared players to go AFK for months at a time.   

  

This sort of system would trap newer players in a cycle of debt where they pay for their rental gear, breakeven, and falter intheir progression forward...

any amount i suggest in my posts is just to illustrate the suggestion is to make it easier to understand .  the numbers are the PA that decides for what it wants.

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