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Sage Awakening still in need of balancing.
18. Okt 2021, 23:17 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 20. Okt 2021, 23:51 (UTC)
# 1

Simple Iframe nerf wasnt a good way to balance the class. 

It appears it did nerfed his large scale potential, however the insane 1v1 and small scale is nearly untouched and he still dominates in the areas over all other classes. 

His mobility and casting speeds, paired with damage is what makes his insufferable class to deal with for any other class in the game and it is simply not right. 

The class should get his iframe back as it used to and got a major damage nerfs for pvp across the board by 20-30%, along with implementation of split damage to the skills like lightning prison or radiant annihilation. 

Core for lightning prison should be also removed as it is too powerful in combination with the how big AOE skill it is and how fast it is casted, on a skill with super armor that also deals significant damage. 

My proposals for numbers are as follows: 

Lightning prison: 

- Remove core 

- Split dmg implemented, 5% for each target only PVP

- Increase pvp dmg reduction from 50% to 65%. 

Radiant annihilation: 

- Split dmg implemented, 5% for each target only PVP

- increase pvp dmg reduction from 30% to 55% 

Rift storm: 

- increase pvp dmg reduction from 40% to 55% 

- Change core from bound to stun. 

Enlightening Bolt: 

- Increase pvp dmg reduction from 60% to 65%

Seize: 

- Increase cooldown of a grab from 13 sec to 18 sec

Bolt: 

- Give Iframe back. 

 

Dmg nerfs is what this class really needs, the damage is simply too high. 

 

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 19. Okt 2021, 11:25 (UTC)
# 2
On: Oct 18, 2021, 23:17 (UTC), Written by balans

Simple Iframe nerf wasnt a good way to balance the class. 

It appears it did nerfed his large scale potential, however the insane 1v1 and small scale is nearly untouched and he still dominates in the areas over all other classes. 

His mobility and casting speeds, paired with damage is what makes his insufferable class to deal with for any other class in the game and it is simply not right. 

The class should get his iframe back as it used to and got a major damage nerfs for pvp across the board by 20-30%, along with implementation of split damage to the skills like lightning prison or radiant annihilation. 

Core for lightning prison should be also removed as it is too powerful in combination with the how big AOE skill it is and how fast it is casted, on a skill with super armor that also deals significant damage. 

My proposals for numbers are as follows: 

Lightning prison: 

- Remove core 

- Split dmg implemented, 5% for each target only PVP

- Increase pvp dmg reduction from 50% to 60%. 

Radiant annihilation: 

- Split dmg implemented, 5% for each target only PVP

- increase pvp dmg reduction from 30% to 50% 

Rift storm: 

- increase pvp dmg reduction from 40% to 50% 

- Change core from bound to stun. 

Seize: 

- Increase cooldown of a grab from 13 sec to 18 sec

Bolt: 

- Give Iframe back. 

 

Dmg nerfs is what this class really needs, the damage is simply too high. 

 

 

I disagree about te part that states sage dominates pvp (1vs1), atm sage is good but absolutely not the best 1vs1 class, i would say he is in a good spot atm and further 1vs1 nerf will brake the class. Many ppl forget that he uses his dmg skills in SA rotation which severely affect final dmg output (after landing cc). He has gaps as every class and all you have to do is to learn how to use them. Most good pvp players dont have issues with sage atm. Best ninjas for example win vs good sages 10:2-3 (try finding how yELo_HQ destoyed one of good sages:).

I agree that sage would use loosing some dmg in trade of Bolts i-frame restoration.

 

Keep in mind that in a few months we will get 18 class reworks and in this perspective i would keep Sage as it is and wait how will he perform after rewors hit life server.

 

I already roled back to ninja cus sage with his all potetnial is lil too flashy and boring for me. And playing as succesion ninja i dont miss his pvp capability, the only thing that changed is less trash/hour i can get on ninja.... (309/302/368 atm with pen bs and kutum)

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 20. Okt 2021, 23:53 (UTC)
# 3
On: Oct 19, 2021, 11:14 (UTC), Written by Kelai

I disagree about te part that states sage dominates pvp (1vs1), atm sage is good but absolutely not the best 1vs1 class, i would say he is in a good spot atm and further 1vs1 nerf will brake the class. Many ppl forget that he uses his dmg skills in SA rotation which severely affect final dmg output (after landing cc). He has gaps as every class and all you have to do is to learn how to use them. Most good pvp players dont have issues with sage atm. Best ninjas for example win vs good sages 10:2-3 (try finding how yELo_HQ destoyed one of good sages:).

I agree that sage would use loosing some dmg in trade of Bolts i-frame restoration.

 

Keep in mind that in a few months we will get 18 class reworks and in this perspective i would keep Sage as it is and wait how will he perform after rewors hit life server.

 

I already roled back to ninja cus sage with his all potetnial is lil too flashy and boring for me. And playing as succesion ninja i dont miss his pvp capability, the only thing that changed is less trash/hour i can get on ninja.... (309/302/368 atm with pen bs and kutum)

 

 

Unfortunatelly it is not, not for the 90% of classes that cant even reach to him before dying. 

This class has mobility, slows on his skills and too big dmg with LARGE aoes to even consider it any balanced at all. Most of the classes cant even get close to him without receiving massive dmg and dying, this is the sad reality the class is too strong for the game. Class rework wont change anything, since the reworks does not change deffensive stats, sage continue to be dominating in pvp. 

 

The share dmg and AOE and CC this class has is way too big, he is able to stay protected 90% of times, and it does not matter the skills are SA, because most of his dmg comes from skills that could be casted in instant and cancelled with rmb or dash. 

In a result you have a class that has a grab that does not require to grab his opponent since damage is so massive and too big for BDO standards. 

There is no reason why this class should keep his damage while being so tanky and annoying. Most of the classes cant even compete with him in 1v1, he is top 3 there, while also having ridiclously good small and large scale pvp. 

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Okt 2021, 12:46 (UTC)
# 4
On: Oct 20, 2021, 23:49 (UTC), Written by balans

 

Unfortunatelly it is not, not for the 90% of classes that cant even reach to him before dying. 

This class has mobility, slows on his skills and too big dmg with LARGE aoes to even consider it any balanced at all. Most of the classes cant even get close to him without receiving massive dmg and dying, this is the sad reality the class is too strong for the game. Class rework wont change anything, since the reworks does not change deffensive stats, sage continue to be dominating in pvp. 

 

The share dmg and AOE and CC this class has is way too big, he is able to stay protected 90% of times, and it does not matter the skills are SA, because most of his dmg comes from skills that could be casted in instant and cancelled with rmb or dash. 

In a result you have a class that has a grab that does not require to grab his opponent since damage is so massive and too big for BDO standards. 

There is no reason why this class should keep his damage while being so tanky and annoying. Most of the classes cant even compete with him in 1v1, he is top 3 there, while also having ridiclously good small and large scale pvp. 

 

Sorry to say that, but it seems that You have no idea about the class you are talking about:
- RMB has no protection on cd and dash (space) means suicide in pvp cus its not protected at all

Not being able to reach Sage means you are terribly undergeared and dont have an idea about the mechanick of the class (as mentioned above)

Class reworks will bring A TON of dmg and protection for renewed classes (however it differs depending on specific class)

 

I suggest to watch some older vids of https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC958ajcDbXyVxhOluKZgxQA (the pvp ones with sage before nerf) - you will find out that he is far from dominating in pvp (and its before i-frame nerf)

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 22. Okt 2021, 05:47 (UTC)
# 5
On: Oct 21, 2021, 12:46 (UTC), Written by Kelai

Sorry to say that, but it seems that You have no idea about the class you are talking about:
- RMB has no protection on cd and dash (space) means suicide in pvp cus its not protected at all

Not being able to reach Sage means you are terribly undergeared and dont have an idea about the mechanick of the class (as mentioned above)

Class reworks will bring A TON of dmg and protection for renewed classes (however it differs depending on specific class)

 

I suggest to watch some older vids of https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC958ajcDbXyVxhOluKZgxQA (the pvp ones with sage before nerf) - you will find out that he is far from dominating in pvp (and its before i-frame nerf)

 

 

Rmb has 5 second cooldown, and you have other skills you could throw between each dash. 

It is not the case of being undergeared, you barely ever play pvp am i right? The class has such ridiculous damage it could kill people with random AOE, even people with over 380 DP. There is nothing that could justify such high damage in such large aoe that is casted so fast. 

Class reworks does not buff the classes dmg, most of these reworks are small changes that wont put these classes on sage levels, because it is simply out of the league due to the amount of dmg this class has. 

 

He is dominating pvp, since meta drive people into dr builds and more AP focus builds with human dmg. Sages are unstoppable right now, they dont even need a grab to kill people, they could randomly cast spells in any order, no skill required. People just die in the middle of few sages that cast spells everywhere. You are getting slowed down and evaporated away by chip damage, that is just too high for this game. 

Sage discord and sage players in general were warning PA to not change iframe but instead nerf the damage, the problem remains as the iframe change was insignificant for anything that is not 20 vs 20. 

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 23. Okt 2021, 07:08 (UTC)
# 6
On: Oct 22, 2021, 05:47 (UTC), Written by balans

 

Rmb has 5 second cooldown, and you have other skills you could throw between each dash. 

It is not the case of being undergeared, you barely ever play pvp am i right? The class has such ridiculous damage it could kill people with random AOE, even people with over 380 DP. There is nothing that could justify such high damage in such large aoe that is casted so fast. 

Class reworks does not buff the classes dmg, most of these reworks are small changes that wont put these classes on sage levels, because it is simply out of the league due to the amount of dmg this class has. 

 

He is dominating pvp, since meta drive people into dr builds and more AP focus builds with human dmg. Sages are unstoppable right now, they dont even need a grab to kill people, they could randomly cast spells in any order, no skill required. People just die in the middle of few sages that cast spells everywhere. You are getting slowed down and evaporated away by chip damage, that is just too high for this game. 

Sage discord and sage players in general were warning PA to not change iframe but instead nerf the damage, the problem remains as the iframe change was insignificant for anything that is not 20 vs 20. 

 

Look its my last post as I can clearly see you are going to repeat same old whine over and over. Did you saw the pvp vid I suggested?

Do you even fallow the rework changes? No dmg buffs (and here i can copy paste at least 1-4 examples of dmg boost for EACH reworked class)? hahaha I'll tell you one thing - if awk sage is such a threat for you after those reworks hit life some classes will make you dehydrate from excessive crying.
You seem to not pvp too much as you try to bring "high" DR as an argument - DP is a meme in this game, 420dp gets deleted by every class that has 305+ ap, even damn weak archer can cut 70% of opponents hp by one skill (point blank full bloom).
If you consider serius pvp you need eva or at least hybrid eva build paired with good acc and good for such build class.

 

And I will enlight you: sage true power comes from the fact that he is good for eva build and he can go full ap because of his really good acc passives and skill buffs/debuffs. Thats why end game geared sage dont care about acc accesories and goes full ap paired with human dmg crystals - AND HERE COMES THE TRUE REASON OF HIS BIG DMG. But its a synnergy of end game gear + class and thats what matters in the end.  And sage isnt the only class that can and does that.

 

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Kelai
Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 01. Nov 2021, 18:17 (UTC)
# 7
On: Oct 21, 2021, 12:46 (UTC), Written by Kelai

Sorry to say that, but it seems that You have no idea about the class you are talking about:
- RMB has no protection on cd and dash (space) means suicide in pvp cus its not protected at all

Not being able to reach Sage means you are terribly undergeared and dont have an idea about the mechanick of the class (as mentioned above)

Class reworks will bring A TON of dmg and protection for renewed classes (however it differs depending on specific class)

 

I suggest to watch some older vids of https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC958ajcDbXyVxhOluKZgxQA (the pvp ones with sage before nerf) - you will find out that he is far from dominating in pvp (and its before i-frame nerf)

Yeah completely bewilders me about how ppl are still completely ignorant about the class. It's far from the best 1v1 class now. The iframe nerf was most crippling in PVP 1v1, not NW. Ask any Sage...but it's always the ppl that haven't actually tested the kit to realize the amount of skill it takes to win w/o a single good and readily available iframe now...especially against fast grab classes.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 01. Nov 2021, 18:17 (UTC)
# 8
On: Oct 21, 2021, 12:46 (UTC), Written by Kelai

Sorry to say that, but it seems that You have no idea about the class you are talking about:
- RMB has no protection on cd and dash (space) means suicide in pvp cus its not protected at all

Not being able to reach Sage means you are terribly undergeared and dont have an idea about the mechanick of the class (as mentioned above)

Class reworks will bring A TON of dmg and protection for renewed classes (however it differs depending on specific class)

 

I suggest to watch some older vids of https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC958ajcDbXyVxhOluKZgxQA (the pvp ones with sage before nerf) - you will find out that he is far from dominating in pvp (and its before i-frame nerf)

Yeah completely bewilders me about how ppl are still completely ignorant about the class. It's far from the best 1v1 class now. The iframe nerf was most crippling in PVP 1v1, not NW. Ask any Sage...but it's always the ppl that haven't actually tested the kit to realize the amount of skill it takes to win w/o a single good and readily available iframe now...especially against fast grab classes.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 01. Nov 2021, 19:34 (UTC)
# 9

I think my biggest issue with Awakening Sage is the same issue with any class, the ranged grab. Ranged grabs are dumb af. I can understand having some leeway with the grab, considering back in the day Valk had T-Rex grabs. Had to have your hand in their ass, working them like a puppet to even land a grab. But ranged grabs are fucking stupid and should not be a thing, especially Lahn's cone aoe ranged grab.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Nov 2021, 23:33 (UTC)
# 10

awk sage and awk nova shouldnt even have access to grab. succ nova grab should be strictly PRIME skill.

 

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