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#Shai
[Shai] Everyone gets a page of buffs except shai which gets 4 small changes
12. Okt 2022, 14:19 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Okt 2022, 19:08 (UTC)
# 2

Ranger didn't get much either prob because they don't want to change them much. Idk why given archer got some huge things but is what it is. Next week is new rebam.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 13. Okt 2022, 02:25 (UTC)
# 3

You do realise that Shai has like 1/3 of the skills of all other classes, right? Statistically, how would she get the same amount of changes as other classes? Three of her talent skills got buffed, so you don't have to choose anymore. That's a huge buff.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 13. Okt 2022, 04:46 (UTC)
# 4
On: Oct 12, 2022, 14:19 (UTC), Written by Tooshaitopost

Every class got these big class improvements and the list goes on and on but then you look at shai and it fits within a paragraph. Reducing the CD of play dead isn't really a buff, sure it's better but it's not a game changer, especially when everyone else gets higher critical hit % and AP improvements etc...

Hurray, we get to not be limited with our talent! Well, ok, that's it. A bit better heal as well too. So what does this mean? It means Shai is even lower on the list than ever before. The gap has grown tremendously. I can't speak for all classes but it seems the strongest classes has gotten buffs while the weakest like Shai hasn't really improved.

Is the staff going to be improving shai or is she just there to look cute for photo-ops? She can't even lifeskill better than any other class, heck her swimming feels the slowest too! A Musa can easily defeat a Shai 2 tiers of gear lower like butter. Just why is she so weak? If she's to be a lifeskill / healer then please make her excel at that at least. But she's basically awful at everything other than buffing other players and that's not fun. It's just following other players around and buffing them when the timer is running out.

There's no warning while creating a character that she's basically locked out of a lot of content because she's that bad. Please fix her!

Mystic got mostly bugfixes & same goes for Ninja.

Shai got some really nice buffs, so you should be happy...but again when are Shais ever happy?

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 13. Okt 2022, 19:19 (UTC)
# 5

can we just make shai the ultimate lifeskill class already please devs improve all her lifeskilling more weight more mastery more lifeskill xp more combat xp per doing lifeskilling not just gather and alch all lifeskills should give her combat xp reduce the cd on her ride boomerang make it cost less stamina use up less stamina

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 15. Okt 2022, 16:30 (UTC)
# 6
On: Oct 13, 2022, 04:46 (UTC), Written by Tearaknee

Mystic got mostly bugfixes & same goes for Ninja.

Shai got some really nice buffs, so you should be happy...but again when are Shais ever happy?

The buffs are hardly noticeable. When you buff most classes you're still keeping Shai way behind. The reason why Shai players tend to not be happy with the class is because shai is literally at the bottom all the time. You would think that if shai is meant to be a lifeskill class she would excel at it, but she doesn't. She does better now in PvE, not by much... she is still slow, clunky, poor stamina management, and has medium crappy range. She's also pretty terrible in PvP. Yay she can buff, but who cares? One grab and she's done. The gap needs to shrink, that's the main complaint. No class will ever be made equal (but with different fight styles), they have no idea how to balance it this way with so many classes. I'm asking for Shai to not be so far at the bottom.

I did notice a couple of classes got nerfed hard, so the classes that already excelled are getting better and the ones that needed to be nerfed are being pushed down the list. Shai is very far at the bottom. Maybe they need to completely rebuild shai, perhaps give her succession/awakening choices. If they would rather make shai a lifeskill class then actually make her a lifeskill class because she's not good at it. But if they do that then it'll piss off the entire shai fanbase that created shai as their main and invested in their PEN sol. Shai can be fun but she's absolutely at the bottom tier for practically everything.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 19. Okt 2022, 00:34 (UTC)
# 7
On: Oct 13, 2022, 02:25 (UTC), Written by Edana1

You do realise that Shai has like 1/3 of the skills of all other classes, right? Statistically, how would she get the same amount of changes as other classes? Three of her talent skills got buffed, so you don't have to choose anymore. That's a huge buff.

It's actually mathematically not a buff. Yeah we get more HP, but that's only useful in PvP which Shai should not realistically be participating in unless large scale and even then it's not EXTREMELY because people don't even stand still long enough to get the buff. Our regen was buffed, but not in any meaningful way. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 19. Okt 2022, 16:09 (UTC)
# 8
On: Oct 19, 2022, 00:34 (UTC), Written by Toriia

It's actually mathematically not a buff. Yeah we get more HP, but that's only useful in PvP which Shai should not realistically be participating in unless large scale and even then it's not EXTREMELY because people don't even stand still long enough to get the buff. Our regen was buffed, but not in any meaningful way. 

Exactly, our range is pretty awful, it's mid not long and so buffs don't go very far and when you do buff you have to be surrounded by everyone which is unlikely to happen but if someone wants you to buff them, there is a pretty reasonable CD before you can buff others that pass by. These buffs would absolutely make sense if the game was slow-paced (closer to reality) but the real reality is that people expect you to throw your buffs at them 200ft away.

PA really is trying to force players to PvP because they think PvP competition in an MMORPG is a smart move (it never worked, ever) and they wonder why their numbers are way down now. There are so few players now and they are trying very hard to get people to come back but it's not really working, not even with the delayed broken Magnus.

Shai should not be excluded from the PvE vs PvP skillsets, she's the only class excluded from the choice and of course this makes it so expensive since you can't timepiece a shai (sol) especially if they are a trader (lifeskill !!). She needs to have Sucession and Awakening, I know they're stubborn but Talent isn't cutting it. If you think about it, if she's more expensive to gear, then she should be stronger than other classes but no, she's the weakest. Thankfully they gave her a nice new skill but everybody else got skills so it's like nothing has changed.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 19. Okt 2022, 21:49 (UTC)
# 9

I've read over these posts, and shai has her merits, but I also agree with Tooshaitopost. Shai needs more, her limited kit is both too powerful and weak all at the same time. Splitting it into awakening and succession would bring much-needed balance to allow the class to grow, but this would require a real rework as well. Remove stamina cost from hop.

Shais have stated that her limited skill list was due to being an 'evolving class experiment' After years, it has become apparent that this experiment is over and all patience the community has for further silly antics has been all but extinguished. We would like real changes and demand the release of the Donkuanatt. This last point may undercut my purpose but let me explain that to Shais, culture is a major part of the class and the Donkuanatt was a cornerstone of what the class was meant to be. 

Thank you for reading.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 21. Okt 2022, 09:56 (UTC)
# 10

I am quite happy with the buffs we got. Its actual pretty big, but at the same time its also a buff to everyone else that has a shai in group, so every shai support buff is a buff for everyone and at the aame time a nerf to everyone with a shai in enemy team.

The things Shai would need for pvp are still:

1. A Block (at least S)

2. A DR/Eva rate/HP passive

3. Protection on at least the starting animation of the surf (basicly the same skill awa draca has anyway) 

With that I would would be super happy with her pvp position.

For all I care they can rip us off more pvp dmg in exchange (or as a choice with a second passive to choose instead).

For pvx

I would like to see

1. Tier 3 skill ad-on (that would be for pvp too oc)

2. BSR skills for we are closer to awa than succ. Its important for dismounting enemies and especially if the bsr skill changes that were shown on lab should come, we could really need the attk speed buff.

3. Make E-Buff animation faster.

4. Fix bubble, its still rng if ppl can just walk through it or not.

5. Make bubble cancle able

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