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A pure lifeskill server
07. Nov 2022, 14:12 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 18:26 (UTC)
# 71
On: Nov 8, 2022, 17:37 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

You fear pve only channels like the devil of holy water. Why? 

We all know the answer: because they will be popular and crowded. 

And this will force the PA to increase their amount.

But it will also prove how many people want them and few people care about pvp.


Good god, we're actually agreeing on various things throughout this thread. I fear the end of the world has come. But that's just how it is, where there are arguments there can be a better understanding of people's opinions and reasoning.

I don't get it etiher. A PvE channel will not affect open world PvPvE play. It will just permit players to play as they desire on a PvE server. If there is PvE griefing, that is the cost of it, if not, even better. People who are adamantly against this idea are people who genuinely want to find defenseless people like shai and beat the crap out of them and that's not PvP, that's just griefing. PvP is a contest between players and when you're a lifeskiller just chopping wood and a red player comes by and murders you, there is no contest, it's just a massacre. The argument of "well there's nothing lost, you can just hop to a different server" is meaningless. You lose 5 minutes of your time, perhaps more to return to your spot, you may not be allowed to change channels and if you had any buffs that disappear after any kind of death, then you have to spend millions on it again.

PLUS, this isn't just about existing players, it's about telling the world that BDO is an immersive and enjoyable game for all types of players. Think about it, if 90% of the players avoid playing this game because there's no PvE servers, then imagine how excited people will be to give this game a try if there are PvE servers. People will talk about BDO and they will get excited. Generations have past, most people don't want hyper difficult and PvP MMORPGs. This isn't the Ultima Online era, this is a time where people tend to experience a lot of social anxiety and don't want to deal with competition oddly enough. So the market has to adapt and BDO is not adapting.

Why would someone be so upset for lifeskillers to have a safe place to relax and enjoy the game they invested money in? It harms no one but only serves to benefit all parties except griefers. There is no reason why PA can't release PvE servers to adapt to this market and they would make a fortune! But, I'm not holding my breath, I'm betting BDO will remain in maintenance mode and crimson will be their next MMORPG depsite saying it's more or less kinda like online single player, but what MMORPG isn't these days? :P

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 18:36 (UTC)
# 72
On: Nov 8, 2022, 17:37 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

You fear pve only channels like the devil of holy water. Why? 

We all know the answer: because they will be popular and crowded. 

And this will force the PA to increase their amount.

But it will also prove how many people want them and few people care about pvp.

You can ignore all the reasons we already gave you, but devs share our opinions. Maybe not for the exact same reasons, but there's a reason why there's a Marni system instead. Devs checkmated you with Marni teams.

Give up buddy, the post I quoted is totally delusional. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 19:09 (UTC)
# 73
On: Nov 8, 2022, 18:26 (UTC), Written by Tooshaitopost

[...]
A PvE channel will not affect open world PvPvE play. It will just permit players to play as they desire on a PvE server. If there is PvE griefing, that is the cost of it, if not, even better. People who are adamantly against this idea are people who genuinely want to find defenseless people like shai and beat the crap out of them and that's not PvP, that's just griefing. PvP is a contest between players and when you're a lifeskiller just chopping wood and a red player comes by and murders you, there is no contest, it's just a massacre. The argument of "well there's nothing lost, you can just hop to a different server" is meaningless. You lose 5 minutes of your time, perhaps more to return to your spot, you may not be allowed to change channels and if you had any buffs that disappear after any kind of death, then you have to spend millions on it again.
[...]

Can't agree more. Thank you!

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 19:36 (UTC)
# 74

That's only the usual "baby seal clubbing" argument. Denied. You can't blame the whole system because some will abuse it.

By making servers with a specific set of rules, you would also create more demands, for specific tweaks, for other specific servers and so on.

Instead, devs have to seriously propose a system in which players could have benefits from protecting others. A guild system for protecting its members who are making lifeskills for the sake of the guild. Or, as someone mentioned, by allowing players to have both a combat and a lifeskill gear equipped at every moment.

Specific servers are ALWAYS a bandaid solution. Be ambitious, ask for a better overall system. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 19:55 (UTC)
# 75
On: Nov 8, 2022, 17:37 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

You fear pve only channels like the devil of holy water. Why? 

We all know the answer: because they will be popular and crowded. 

And this will force the PA to increase their amount.

But it will also prove how many people want them and few people care about pvp.


Actually PA probably won't do anything about it since they already put this protection level limit of 49.

Those who go above are warned that it opens the door for pvp, no matter what. (I agree, it's not fair for lifeskillers, considering that even in lifeskill you need to level up.)
Also, one of PA's issue seems to be the amount of servers.

Well...  I'm just throwing an idea there... one that would solve the problem of servers amount at least.

What about chosing the speciality of a character, like Fighting (Succ or Awak) or Lifeskilling? That way it could prevent from any pvp, no matter the level, it would block (for example) Succ or Awak trees (not normal skills but the extra ones you have after choosing Succ or Awak, cause you still need to farm to get your meats, to do some tanning or even to make some quests).

So lifeskillers could gather everywhere without being pked, lumbering, hunting or anything.

Just an idea of course...

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 20:03 (UTC)
# 76
On: Nov 8, 2022, 19:55 (UTC), Written by PriseElectrique

Well...  I'm just throwing an idea there... one that would solve the problem of servers amount at least.

What about chosing the speciality of a character, like Fighting (Succ or Awak) or Lifeskilling? That way it could prevent from any pvp, no matter the level, it would block (for example) Succ or Awak trees (not normal skills but the extra ones you have after choosing Succ or Awak, cause you still need to farm to get your meats, to do some tanning or even to make some quests).

So lifeskillers could gather everywhere without being pked, lumbering, hunting or anything.

Just an idea of course...


That... that... I can go for that. Choose Life-Skills instead of Awake / Succ. I can definitely go for that!

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 20:07 (UTC)
# 77
On: Nov 8, 2022, 14:06 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

And what percentage is speaking here? 0.05% of players?

There was just a promotion on New World. 16 EUR one-time fee.

No p2w like BDO.

No 5% chance for enchant like BDO.

No open toxic pvp like BDO.

I was very tempted because game opened new channels and gained a huge number of players.

At the BDO, I am only kept by the time and money spent here. 

But I'm sick of this BDO developers "vision". And if they don't make changes:
1. Removal forced pvp
2. Removal channel change cd
3. Adding fast travel system to any node (blocked with trade items)

4. Adding a new guaranteed (and good) enchantment system

even I will go away, although I am patient and have been waiting for changes for 3 years.

None of my friends have been playing BDO for a long time so there is no point in playing BDO anyway, especially since you can never achieve anything here.

And there are those who have played since BDO premiere, and to this day the only pens they have are those from Jetina. Absurdle.

Go back to new world then, obviously the game suites you. Played it off in on since launch an it felt dull asf. If you like it go back to hit an keep it as your main mmo instead of changing a well established mmo.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 20:11 (UTC)
# 78
On: Nov 8, 2022, 17:37 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

You fear pve only channels like the devil of holy water. Why? 

We all know the answer: because they will be popular and crowded. 

And this will force the PA to increase their amount.

But it will also prove how many people want them and few people care about pvp.

"Very few care about PvP", servers lag during siege , had servers fully crash during siege (Mediah and Valencia on NA) guess the guilds who caused these crashes dont exist kekw. Cheer up buttercup pretty obvious you have forgotten whats happend to siege knocking out 2/3 siege servers(with the third being unstable just like mediah), want all the pvp players turn up on a server near you? Bet you would say they are all PvE players kekw

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 20:14 (UTC)
# 79
On: Nov 7, 2022, 19:28 (UTC), Written by Lair360


Many players still see it as "PVP" zone (PVP with the brackets). A lot of players avoid them, get it? Some do go there to life skill and grind because of buffs they give. But still crazy and stupid in my opinion.

(Laugh) Arsha is not a PVP server? What a joke. Then PA should change the name to something else.

When the term "PVP server" is thrown around, people tend to assume it means all people do there is PVP.  Words like "If you want to PVP then go the the PVP server" prove that -- as if Arsha's only purpose is to accomodate PVP -- which is not accurate.

>> People go to Arsha to PVE for the higher drop rate.  PVP penalty is disabled, so this allows for PVP as well.  Hence --- Arsha is a PVX server, just like the rest, only difference is PVP penalty is disabled.  My point still stands.  Go laugh at yourself.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 20:38 (UTC)
# 80
On: Nov 8, 2022, 19:36 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

That's only the usual "baby seal clubbing" argument. Denied. You can't blame the whole system because some will abuse it.

By making servers with a specific set of rules, you would also create more demands, for specific tweaks, for other specific servers and so on.

Instead, devs have to seriously propose a system in which players could have benefits from protecting others. A guild system for protecting its members who are making lifeskills for the sake of the guild. Or, as someone mentioned, by allowing players to have both a combat and a lifeskill gear equipped at every moment.

Specific servers are ALWAYS a bandaid solution. Be ambitious, ask for a better overall system. 

That's fine and fair to say. I won't argue that. Maybe they should either increase the "player safe level" limit or lower the requirements for certain skills and bartering to 49? Wouldn't that pretty much resolve the lifeskill problem? It's not like barterers are equipped to fend off combat specific ships. I mean, technically you could but you lose out on a lot of time and money if you do.

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