You want a PvP players idea "chip" on this? I'll give you one:

Endgame lifeskill resources are relocated to desolate areas in high level monster zones.

Farming these resources requires defeating the monsters that protect them, as well as the relevant lifeskill proficiencies. For this purpose, PvE players are required to defeat the monsters, for which they receive the loot of the monsters + some from the lifeskillers.

This entire zone is PvP open, and upon successful PK, players drop 20-50% of the resources they have obtained, based on the relative gear disparity between the players in combat.

There you go. Now you've fully integrated PvP, PvE and lifeskills in an open world sandbox setting.

... I doubt this is what you're after.

But this is the PvP players equivalent take on your "mystical magical no bulli wulli lifeskill world"

Open pvp is good ..... really?

Crowfall - open pvp game, never on Steam (we know why), just died.

Escape from Tarkov - almost full loot open pvp, never on Steam (we know why), dead since launch, they even had to add bots.

New World - alpha open full loot pvp, epic fail, quickly converted to pve with pvp as an option.

It's really not worth continuing this topic: the vast majority of players do not want open pvp, and pvp players don't have any arguments because ..... nobody takes pvp away from them because BDO has a lot of pvp modes (but why are they dead if players like pvp?).

This game isn't terribly toxic if you avoid chat. The days where you couldn't leave town without getting murdered are long gone.  The world is much bigger and there are so many servers to choose from. There will always be that one dick that goes around and PKs a farmer or horse trainer but for the most part that phase has long passed, perhaps also contributing is the much lower population count.

I think in the end since PA won't change a thing and give us lifeskill servers, it's up to us as the populous to come together and set our own morals about PvP and abide by them. Some may call them gentlemen's rules. For example, don't kill someone who's horse training or lifeskilling unless the lifeskiller took your spot, don't kill the bell popper, engage in consentual PvP when possible, don't lie about the events that transpired to your guild and honor your word (ie if both parties decide to duel for spot, let the loser honor it). Perhaps DFS could be more duel for party instead? Seems more reasonable than losing a spot entirely. Don't attack bartering ships unless they attack you and so on.... I know it's hard to imagine americans and europeans being polite with one-another in a game like it can happen in Japan but cultural change even if it's just within one game can happen if we mutually agree to make it better. It happened in FFXIV, why not here?

Hey Tooshaitopost,

Sorry to bother you. But looks like the official BDO discord doesn't want to help. It looks like PLAN B: someone needs to make a discord and get everyone to join, that includes PVPer and PVX so the whole community can start typing away. Then the community or someone can compile a list of rules that everyone can follow.

To be honest, this needs to be done and put to rest.

So please PVPer and PVX community, try and be together this once. Only this once to get a list of rules in place?

Edit: Or we can create a post in Off-Topic. The original Poster can compile it while everyone can still post ideas? Google Doc is not open as you need to send out invites. It can be annoying and bad.

I've been here since like 2015 or 2016... That idea was just meant to be inspirational, in practice it won't work. You won't see people actually complying and even if they do, it won't change the game any by a meaningful amount. I get PK'd doing ilfeskilling maybe once every couple of weeks, that's it. Maybe some servers are worse than others but it's not terribly common like it used to be. It used to be something you constantly had to watch for. People are more polarized than ever before so I don't see it working. :P

Why do PVP have to be so toxic? You wrote it as if you are spitting at us and giving us the middle finger. I am sorry. But, I am trying my best here and also to look for an open-source document sharing (or something) so everyone and even PVPer can type. 

Open pvp is good ..... really?

Crowfall - open pvp game, never on Steam (we know why), just died.

Escape from Tarkov - almost full loot open pvp, never on Steam (we know why), dead since launch, they even had to add bots.

New World - alpha open full loot pvp, epic fail, quickly converted to pve with pvp as an option.

It's really not worth continuing this topic: the vast majority of players do not want open pvp, and pvp players don't have any arguments because ..... nobody takes pvp away from them because BDO has a lot of pvp modes (but why are they dead if players like pvp?).