Greetings.

My suggestion is to remove Crystal destruction on death and replace it with a system that Crystal have durabiliy and you can recharge them either with cheaper system or simply with Caphras.

Make it costy, and to depends on the price of the crystals. In the range of 100-300m. and make it worst with every new death let's say in the same hour or so, so the death can be meaningful.

But to lose days or even weeks of progression, because you died, when there is million factors involved it's beyond stupid currently, and drives a lot of people away.

I currently absolutey lost desire to log and play. Lost 3 costy crystals in 2 consecutive days, and literally all of my weekly progress has been gone, which means my entire week play was for nothing. Sorry but this is neither fun, neither it's something that can improve your game, aka to make you better or so.

It's just frustrating and make you wanna delete the game. I won't do that, but will definitely take a break, cause that totally ruin the game for me.

On top of that there is million factors that can contribute to death and Crystal Loss or even worst, Enchancement donwgrade, that are not in your hands, and should not be a thing.

In a perfect world/situation or let's say it on paper this systems may work, but in reality they jsut don't work the way they are supposed to.

People can bait you, take gear off, etc, etc, to be angry in the moment, lost all your karma and bye bye gear. I'm not saying this is your everyday play, but everyone has s**** sessions, and it's happen once in a while to be mad at someone for whatever reason. Griefing you, etc.

I don't see why should i be punished for people taking gear off, so i can lose all of my Karma, and then their buddy or alt to come and literally makes me wanna delete the game.

Same thing with people that let the mobs kills you.

How is that a good system?

Not to mention there is million factors, like de-sync, huge spikes, suddenly Internet connection lost(this can happen even to the best of connection), PC to crash/shut down, suddent restart, game to crash(actually happen quite often), electrical failure, etc, etc. 

You get the point, situation where you can't do anything to prevent, and here you goes you are setback with weeks.

Not everyone plays 10+ hours a day, and not everyone is 300+ so can recover in few hours or a day.

My suggestiong is to remove the Crystal loss completely from the game, give Crystals Durability, and let them have a chance to break some % of durability and that be costy, and be costier with every new death in the span of hour or so.

Enchancement downgrade should not be a feature at all as well. This is the most stupid thing ever.

Plenty of time someone comes to take your spot, and just let you kill him, and he respawn and start stealing your spot, what you are supposed to do? You are winning the duel, but you are the one that is paying the price, even though you were there and is winning the duel for the spot.

Terrible system.

As for this wonder what happen to me, the situation yesterday was this:

2-3 billion of Crystal gone.

Playing on Miru, party comes and kill me. Should have switched server straight away, but one of those days where you take a dumb decision. Respawn at the Safe zone and decide to go back fight for the spot.

Checked my Karma 297k.(3k. from full).

Straight up to the spot, killing 2 of the guys from the get going, and dying to the 3rd one that i didn't even see with mobs everywhere, crazy fast TTK in Open World PPV, which is beyond stupid, but this is another topic, and while trying to run i'm dead and hope miracle 2 Crystal Shattered, and i'm like WTH ???????

 On top of that i'm suddenly on -70000K.(Negative) Karma. Absolutely zero explanation or knowledge how in the blue hell can that happen. Glitch, bug, cheat from them, gear off, or whatever.

But i'm sure that my Karma was full + i didn't kill 10+ people in a row so my Karma to go down. It was exactly 2 people and then died, as it was 1 battle where the Crystal shattered.

Of course no Recovery is possible, cause of Karma, and no explanation how the heck was that possible.

People do this on purpose, and zero consequences for them. But you had to suffer as a player ....

Another Crystal loss today, as PVP Arsha, killing a guy 50 time in a row, he keep coming, and manage to kill me when i was on Black Spirit menu for a stupid bonus quest.

Surprise, surprise it was a mob that do the last hit, and guess what ? Another Crystal loss.

Absolutely pathetic.

Why are even such a system in the game? Just give the kill to whoever did the most dmg, not just the last hit. It's beyond stupid.

I play primary PVE, not want to participate in Open World PVP if it's possible, actually would make every monster zone a solo instance, like a big Marni, cause Marni to me is beyond stupid to circle like braindead on super small area, beyond boring for anything more than 10+ minutes.

What is even the point to have Open World PVP, where you introduce stupid Karma Systems, and Open World PVP is beyond trash with insane fast TTK ?

And yeah while most of the stuffs not happen regularly, like on every single day, everyone have bad days, where such things happen, you are not in a mood, etc, etc, and then you just wanna uninstall the game.

And pretty sure many people quit because of frustrating stuffs like this.

I usually don't go complaining and losing time on Forums, but this was a bit too much.

I respect the Devs and their job, and at the end of the day it's their game and if we like it or not, we can decide to play it or not, and i don't like the constant crying and complaining about everything, but this Systems is completely outdated and need to be reworked.

There is already a large thread on the Feedback board covering this topic. Your points are summarized there.

I agree with many of your takes. A point I disagree with is the gear downgrade removal, as this deters heavy harassers from harassing, even though I agree that getting karmabombed the way you describe is annoying and feels unfair.

So you flaged up, killed palyers and wonder how you lost karma and went red, I really wonder how...

Gear downgrade should not be a thing, the potential to lose years worth of progress is too extreme of a punishment.  It is 1 step away from straight up deleting the character if you die while red.  Gear downgrade when +15 was the max is 1 thing because that was only 2 weeks grind time to get back if you downgraded something.  If you Downgrade a C20 pen or a Pen BS that is a year+ of progress.  If you downgrade Tet FG to Tri FG that's like 6 months of progress.  

What would you suggest as a punishment instead, then? I would agree that losing 1 year of progress is really hard, okay. But there needs to be another way of punishing harassers or people who repeatedly try to grief by feeding people to mobs but fail miserably.

You don't downgrade gear if you have crystals in, so the only way to downgrade is if you stupid enough to revive and get killed multiple times without replacing it.

Acutally gear downgrade is so rare that they might just remove it, altrough that way reds would be not forced to keep losing crystals so that's why it not going to get removed.

I think i explained very detailed what happen. Last time i check you don't lose full Karma and goes to -70000k. by killing 2 people, or you can correct me on that?

And did you miss the part where i was at the spot grinding, when a party comes and took my spot and killed me ? And again most of the time i just switch channel, but this time i decide to fight back. You know you are not in the mood every single time you play. This is a game at the end. So sometimes you make good decision, sometimes you make bad ones. Also isn't Duel for the Spot what Devs really want?  But there is so many holes in the system it's beyond stupid, and drives players away.

Cause if they don't want this, and i'm 100% fine with it, then just make every grind zone solo instances. When you go through it, you are alone, and no one can come and take your spot. Everyone can grind freely. I'm perfectly fine with that, and i think this should be the case in this game. Open World PVP is terrible anyway.

If anyone wants to do it, just add 1-2 more PVP Servers.

What is the purpose on your post even, as you obviously didn't even read my post ...

And again red doesn't mean = harrasing someone. 

Didn't know about the large thread. As i said i barely use Forums, and don't waste time on that. That was a spontaneously thread as what happen and my thoughts exaclty on the matter.

Still i don't see how losing literally months, could be a year, depends on the item, is a proper way to punish anyone, as there is millions of situation where you can become red, and none of them could be because you were harrasing someone.

And again how is it okay if you are grinding on a spot, and someone comes and start Karma bombing you, and keep ressurecting on the spot ? He is literally griefing you, and you can't do a s****, and on top of that you could lose a year progress because someone decide that he wants to take your spot just by annoying you and dying, and then alt switch and kills you when you become Red.

In my case i become red/negative either over a bug/glitch or by being cheated, whether was Karma bombed or whatever the case was.

Also just because there is 1 case of absolutely garbage behaviour, as harrasing people, chasing them through towns, channels, etc, doesn't justify punish everyone cause of very few people that does that.

But becoming red doesn't mean = Harrasing someone. Could be exactly the opposite. Or the player be new and don't even know of Negative Karma, or situation like mine, or defending a spot.

And btw most people flag, cause most of the time when someone comes to attack you, and you aren't flagged, you can't attack him for period of time, which is pretty much the time he needs to touch you and kills you.

You also understand that if anything like that happen to a sane person, he will straight up Uninstall the game.

It's kinda obvious what I meant, you complain on something that was done by 100% on your own free will, you knew the risk of pking.

Also karma loss is not fixed, it depends on gear difference. And you can indeeded get red after just two kills according to the official wiki. https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Wiki?wikiNo=53