I'm sorry that typing my experiences as a lifeskiller in response to his "Arsha is only full of 1% PvP players" makes you think that that is a "misplaced sense of justice/strawman argument/ad hominem attack" lmfao

 So "fairness" only works on other spots but not on treasure spots? well, would you look at that...i thought fairness should apply everywhere, no? since you want "a fair fight" between one player to another it should apply to every spot.

And just because 2 people are farming at a spot that doesn't mean they have the same gear. Let's take orcs for example, some classes work with less AP but they're killing slower. Don't tell me that if you see this player who kills slower on the spot you'll just go to him and dfs because you might think "Damn, this players kills slows, this spot is wasted on him" because this is mostly every PvP players attitude (there are some PvPrs that look at the person and they just look for another spot). No problem, since the "fairness" from the treasure spots got resolved with the new Marni changes so no more unfair fights occur.

Also, if 2 people are grinding at the same spot one of them must be wearing that "definitely not OP" evasion gear vs that "pls hit me" DR gear and since we all know that evasion gear is better i do wonder where "fair fight" goes to in this situation?

You literally put quotes to change what he actually said.  If that isn't a strawman / underhanded ad hom, tell me what is.

Either way, there are LOADS of "experiences" shared here -- not only yours.  At least, if you're in lifeskill gear, your attacker loses karma.  Negative karma has tons of drawbacks.

I just find it amusing how just the mere mention of PvP, and some people go bananas on some wild social justice trip.

It is interesting, sure seems like PTSD or knee jerk reation when PVP is mentioned.

I guess as the PvP community moves on or at the very least takes a long term break from BDO we should start to see the metrics of prices and things becoming available on the market.

Current issues the demand of frenzy.. 16k preorders there is only 1 way to get them and that is grind UW... PVE grinders are not grinding UW due to the $$$ at other areas those that did grind UW were mid range players those mid range from last 6 months to a year are high end grinders now and the new players are gone so you can see in the market when items are not avaiable.

If you also notice very few players are grinding UW tungrade rings are raising in price as well the worst part of all this is we just got off a large 100% drop rate event and there is zero frenzy on the market meaning no one was grinding UW.

The amount of players activley grinding in BDO currently is what is concerning TBH with you i think the number is down dramatically and i honestly beleive there are a lot of AFK currently as well as a lot of players left the game.

Even though the mere mention of PVP gets forum posters all upset those they are actually playing BDO are feeling the effects of being alone in a massive game were there is currently ZERO interaction. As this trend continues a majority of long term players will eventially lose interest, as well as those that come in these forums that are excited that finally there is no more open world PVP they now have full control over all the PVE grinding they want will eventually lose interest.

The game is not healthy at the moment and even though people may be cheering the decisions made by PA that regret will set in once people start to realize there are very few people actually playing BDO.

I also found it amusing how some PvP players went bananas on some mere changes on the OwPvP where they can't abuse it anymore or perma wars from guild and they also went on some wild social justice trip. 

This "mmorpg" is just a glorified solo rpg with some mmo traits since 2016. Pvp then was longer than what it is now -- either you kill in 3 skills or you die in 3 skills. The trend is 7 years long and the vets or some of them are still here. Idk what interaction is for you but you probably meant owpvp since the tavern chat is active on a daily basis. Pve is boring as in any other mmorpg and players will lose interest no matter what. There is no Elden Ring/Dark Soul mmorpg as those types of mmorpg would be better than what we currently have on the market.
 

And since the pvp changes almost all the pvp players that didn't liked it because they couldn't abuse it anymore had PTSD reactions.......

If you read well, he did that several times.

I don't even bother answering to people modeling our own words.

The lonely clear point here is that there are pvp-haters and whiners-haters, the whiners being the ones crying out loud when there's a pk once in a life while they're afk fishing in unsafe zone. What can we say to people like that?

I'm a lifeskiller though, but I always enjoyed some interaction. I happened to be killed while lifeskilling and I don't understand what is so boring in it... So, a guy just pked your character in a videogame on your computer, while you're afk and living your life aside. You come back and it's so hard to see the red screen? As if your own house burned? I don't understand the drama there... Does it stop you to play?

Anyway, pvp isn't abount hunting lifeskillers. It's about fair fights. The lifeskillers being killed is certainly not pvp. But the pre-quoted whiners mix pvpers with pkers and bullies. Can't argue when they refuse to be in the topic.

Grinding can be fun. Some classes just synergise very well with ceatian spots:

Succ Woosa - Jade Forest

Awak Drak - Underground Gyfins

Awak Witch - (Dekhia/Normal) Ash Forest, (Normal) Turos

Playing these classes at these spots just feels right idk how to describe it.

Also, spots like Turos where you are rewarded to pull mobs, have alot of interesting rotation.

I'm not a gind maniac, but enjoy grinding on my classes a few hours every other week.

I can see grinding for silver or for no point can be boring, but this is a players decision to do so (for the most part).

Sorry but you have me scratching my head, I can try and explain it a bit simpler if you like.

I made one statement this was referring to PeaceinChaos, and yes a lot of you life skillers/PVE only players have some severe PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome) Obviously getting ganked by some clown affect your over all game play to the point that you would rather see anything to do with PVP removed completely or set in a place where you will never see it. This goes for all of you that have negative criticism for PVP.

It's actually sad that you made a complete wall of text over a single sentence than actually talk about the overall content of my post.

So the simple part:

#1 Though a Majority of you here that hate PVP and would like to see any action of it removed from existence in BDO, You will find that there still are a lot of us left playing the game . The PVP community is the most active within the BDO community though they may not be active in the forums the majority of the community that enjoys Siege/NW no matter the shape it is in, is in fact the only reason why this game doesn't look like a barren wasteland of zero players.

#2 Open World PVP and Open world GVG's due to current restrictions (Only GM can accept decs) are pretty much non-existent that is more to do with PA than anyone from your side of the camp.. Open world PVP will actually pick up again when PA removes those restrictions. Those of us truly wanting to do PVP/GVG are not interested in fighting baby seals. Most of us also agree on the forever perma decs that some guilds do that could have been an easy fix a long time ago.

#3 Karma restrictions should have always been Fam Wide. That said Most of us believe that the restrictions for Karma as well as the overall punishment is a bit too hersh this includes both Navel Karma and PVP Karma. Jail system could be an all world thing. We have a way to deal with PK's that is both fun and entertaining.

In Closing as i stated in my last post You will begin to see the effects of long term No contact within a game environment. Humans as a whole are social creatures we want and crave interaction positive OR negative. Removing aspects of this game such as PA has done simply takes away interaction within a MMROPG and yes is bringing this game closer to a single player experience.

The Market is one small example of trends within Black Desert Online, if you really look at it and can really understand the trends you may in fact already be aware that there is a massive hole in certain aspects of the game.

Example: Life skillers in general currently pretty much don't have to worry about anything in Open world getting PK or messed with just is not happening anymore due to the changes Nore is there guild getting Dec on.  So you would think that to do this the efficiency of doing daily life skill tasks would be through the roof and the market would show that things that were not available would be in plenty...

Well that would be wrong, the majority of things that PVP players buy currently are pretty much self life skilled and not sold, we are talking in specific Elixirs that by far have the current highest profit margin. with the upcoming Global labs buff it will go up 50% further making that side of gathering and alchemy highly profitable.

Again going by trends you can see that a major chunk of life skillers are no longer playing BDO actively, in response PA has made gathering and all forms much more efficient and using gathering games increasing the amount of drops by in some cases 200% if you hit the 20x. Even with the buffs there are just not enough players to keep up with the needs of the community <---- Again showing that the Market trends are in line with the player base I.E. PVP players far outweigh other forms of content within the Game environment...

NOW again i will repost my statement about something as simple as Tungrade rings and Frenzy draughts <---- this also shows the trends in grinding locations what is profitable and what is prefered UW is no longer the End game content it was 3- 4 years ago it is Mid game now and the over all silver it makes is SUPER LOW compared to other areas pushing players to more profitable grounds with VERY FEW  left behind to grind there Franzy Draughts are only obtainable in game at UW this also show the amount of players ACTUALLY DOING PVE CONTENT IS SUPER LOW..

Let's be honest here when the PVP'rs give up and move on this game will come to a close there will simply be no one left that is willing to take up the mantle of getting players involved and active as they do in these guilds... PVE is an active part of PVP guilds and has been for 7 years the only difference here is you are removing the reason for 80% of the active players in BDO to stay and as i stated PA will regret the decisions they are and have made over the past 3 months.

This is also seen in the activity of recruiting that is literally down by over a 100% getting 1 or 2 new sign ups in the alliance a month is compared to 10-20 6 months ago and worse is now those players make it maybe 1 week before going dark and again this is also another trend that you guys sure are not talking about and that is player RETENTION.

EU has Frenzies. Anyway, NA situation could be because of this:

- People grinding there are keeping them for personal use. (This will be me for example).

- Waiting for upcoming prices changes in a lot of consumables.

- Way less lifeskillers.

i no longer support this game monetarely. Revert dec changes