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Can we stop people from abusing safety mechanics to grief players
05. Dez 2023, 15:38 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Dez 2023, 20:15 (UTC)
# 31
On: Dec 7, 2023, 20:08 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

Arguments from you? As usual, none.

BDO was never designed for a leisurely grind. It was always supposed to be toxic open pvp. However, the vast majority of players do not want open pvp and do not want contact with pvp. Hence all the changes that have been introduced to the game over the years.

The problem is that PA has not yet solved this problem completely, although the solution is very simple: unlimited marni for all zones in the game. I would like to remind you that when Marni was introduced to the game, PA swore that Marni was just a bonus and would never become the basic game mode. And what happened recently? Marni is the basis of BDO and solves almost all problems. PVE players want to play in peace and they can do it in the Marni. Psuedo-toxic pvp players who claim that attacking another player in the middle of mobs is pvp can also play in peace and can no longer write that they "have" to attack other players because they "disturb" them in the game. However, those who still really want pvp have 2 Arsha channels for this.

However, the problem still persists. Why? Because even though Marni has been increased, it is not available for all zones and is still limited. Conclusion: unwanted conflicts between players still occur. So how to solve this? Once again: unlimited marni for all zones in the game.

But it's still not enough. Players who want to effectively train horses, engage in trade or quietly obtain mats for blue carrack gear still have contact with unwanted toxic open pvp. Solution to this problem is equally simple: pve only channels.

And we will continue this thread for the next 7 years, maybe the PA will finally understand.

Exactly. But Marni should not be 1/10 of the monster zone, but the full zone, so i can do extended rotation, grind the way i like, etc, etc.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Dez 2023, 22:00 (UTC)
# 32
On: Dec 5, 2023, 15:38 (UTC), Written by Taizai95

Since the removal of the Declare War System, there is currently no way to combat someone that decides to run it down on you / grief you.

Frequently, individuals or groups, run around just trying to feed people to Monsters.  Others simply begin grinding "your Spot" without any interaction. This happens everywhere, but is especially prevalent in the new Dark Seeker's Retrat.

Since both Guild Masters have to agree upon the War and most Griefer Guilds have "Reject all Wars" enabled, there is no Game System in place to Combat this.

You have NPCs allowing you to search characters, further enabling those that want to hunt you, while there is nothing you can do about it. 

These players know, that there isn't anything you can do about it, hence they don't put much thought into it.

In those situations, you are faced with two decisions.

1. instantly leave and accept that they are abusing the Systems, that are meant to protect players, to protect themselves. As they cannot receive punishment for their behaviour

or

2. you take on the Risk of going red by using the Forced PvP (ALT+C).

The Punishment of going red, is severe and the loss of karma vast, hence you have a maximum of 2 kills before going red. Even with reduced Karma (sub 300k) you still have an increased Risk of loosing Crystals (if you were to die in PvE) untíl you build it back up.

On EU, the controversial "Duel for Spot rule" is widely accepted, while it benefits stronger players, it is generally a quick way to fight / defend a spot "honourably". It basically saves everyone sometime. However, these aren't as common anymore due to the 5min Server CD and people now refusing the Requests regularly. This was also something birthed from the "removal" of the War System, as they face no consequence for refusing / dono walling / just grinding your spot after they swap to your current Server. 

Solution:

1. Return the War System but individually handle targeted harassements through War Declares (Tickets / past History)

2. Only Enable ALT+C while having Gear and Crystals equipped. This way, griefers have to take shared risk, which should deter most if you don't allow BMC or other low silver crystal presets to count towards the ALT+C requirement.

3. Disable ALT+C on none NW / Siege Servers and Arsha. Since griefers would only be able to "grind over you" / agitate you to leave the Spot. Overtime they would just loose Interest due to not really getting anything outside of some borderline attention.

4. Add 3+ hr Marni server daily (you interact with a UI that allows you to select the Spot and you get teleported into a Realm. That way, people that want to PvE in peace can do so and can swap to Marni whenever they are confronted by a griefer, if they were to grind more than 3hrs on the day / on a regular.

Those may not the best Solutions, but just providing some that came to mind. 


TLDR: people are abusing the Systems that were put into place to protect players, to protect themselves from receiving punishment for their behaviour. This needs to change as you lack the Tools to deal with it.

Swap channels or go to marni realm.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Dez 2023, 22:17 (UTC)
# 33
On: Dec 7, 2023, 22:00 (UTC), Written by zBoo

Swap channels or go to marni realm.

The Irony.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Dez 2023, 23:56 (UTC)
# 34
On: Dec 7, 2023, 15:00 (UTC), Written by Centaurs4life

Goes to show you do that way more than you admit to.  Our guild never Decs first, we just flag and then go red, if someone Decs us we dec back until we run out of dec backs and we are forced to cancel one or the other guild cancels first.  

We have never been Deced by Karmacide so there is no way that we would ever have deced your guild.  

At least I don't hide my profile.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Dez 2023, 15:35 (UTC)
# 35
On: Dec 7, 2023, 23:56 (UTC), Written by Columba

At least I don't hide my profile.

With JaeHe's recent coment on the dev talks about issuing temporary suspensions when a player is reported, I don't know why anyone would want to have their account linked.  

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Dez 2023, 18:28 (UTC)
# 36
On: Dec 7, 2023, 01:10 (UTC), Written by Columba

[...] so PA is making a financial decision [...]

Yeah... great decisions!

Let's check again:

Sources: https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/PEARL-ABYSS-CORP-38495600/
https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/KR/XKRX/263750/advanced-chart

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Dez 2023, 19:27 (UTC)
# 37
On: Dec 8, 2023, 18:26 (UTC), Written by PriseElectrique

I seriously doubt that those dips are from the pvp changes, lol.  They could be from many things.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Dez 2023, 01:59 (UTC)
# 38
On: Dec 8, 2023, 19:27 (UTC), Written by Columba

I seriously doubt that those dips are from the pvp changes, lol.  They could be from many things.

Dude... both the drops are at the exact same moment of the new rules happening in KR and then in NA/EU. Don't be in denial...

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Dez 2023, 04:20 (UTC)
# 39

Can we stop people from griefing you while your just trying to do lifeskills. Thanks!

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Dez 2023, 04:46 (UTC)
# 40
On: Dec 9, 2023, 01:59 (UTC), Written by PriseElectrique

Dude... both the drops are at the exact same moment of the new rules happening in KR and then in NA/EU. Don't be in denial...

Not really, and many companies experienced market drops at the same time.  While I don't agree with how drastically PA acted, it's not helpful to conflate the changes with false causality

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