I wonder how someone who constantly says that dont play BDO know which servers are full and which not. Looks like a lie to me, and yet he acuses others for lies.

 Yet atm all servers are crowded. Except ELvia servers. The servers with the new PvE content. By the same very logic its clear that people dont want PvE content...

Realy ?

 Five years no PvE server. Devs statement that they want to keep the game how it is on normal servers - PvPvE. But yet some people are realy delusional.

Last I check I last said that I avgrage 1 to 2 hours of BDO every 1 to 2 weeks. 

This group of statements from you. Just show how willfuly dishonest you are being in this discussion. Again to remind you, I personally don't think nor care if or not the Dev implement PvE only channels. My only goal is to just highlight the BS that is coming from the oppsition of PvE only servers. 

Devs converted almost 50% of the channels into channels that only 10% of the playerbase if that can take advanage of. And you try to connect that to the playerbase not wanting PvE, yikes. Ok fine then do tell me this. Why are there more players in BDO NA in PvE and LIfeskilling guilds, than there are players in PvP guilds? If PvP was the more popular attaction of players in BDO. Then surely they would out number the PvEers and Lifeskillers. Again your whole anti-PvE only channels statements falls apart.

If you go on that way, there is at least as much BS coming from pure pve defenders XD

To begin with, seeing Olvia and Season pve as proof that pure pve is harmless. Again, lulz. They should wonder why these channels are restricted.

About guilds, how did you count pvpve / pvx guilds in that?

And did you ask every player in the guild you mentioned if they were absolutely only pvp or only pve?

Again, this pvp vs pve separation makes no sense in a game with both aspects linked. Your argument crumbles alone.

But anyway, simply check the channel list. All the non-Elvia are full. All of them, even pvpve ones, even if they do not come with bribery. I guess players are no so reluctant to pvpve.

More dishonesty from you. It's ok because most can see the dishonesty in your statements. Even if you have convinced yourself otherwise.

Says the guy who chose to ignore all players who like both pve and pvp in their daily gaming, for the sake of his argumentation.

But hey, I guess "most" will see the dishonesty in my statements, the same way "most" want to have pure pve channels.

Feel free to comfort yourself with these thoughts. 

So I play every day and you 1 hour in two weeks and Im dishonest but not you ? Nice try. You have no idea of the BDO atm. So you didnt tell why all chanels that have PvP are overcrowded everyday. Ah I forgot you log in once in a two week. You coudnt know about the state of the game. After all you are in forums to promote other games, right.

They didn't convert 50% of the channels that only 10% of the playerbase can take advantage of.  They converted one zone of 50% of the  servers.  If it wasn't for the stupid warning every time you log in to any portion of those servers stating that the server is too difficult for you, people would play it.  That warning should only happen if you auto path into the Hadum areas of the server if you do not meet the AP/DP threshold.  Those servers are advertized as not available to low end players, when in reality the low end players never would have done the normal content either.

Always the same old argument that cant work, as in general, pve channel request actual impose nothing but provide a choice.

I neither impose my opinion ( but i understand you have issue with that difference ) i tell you : your vision isnt the only one everyone have to consider, so i bring you others argument ( that you actualy never are able to contradict other than with child kind answer :'nonnononono its not true nopnononon" and absolute lack of arguments  : QED again with : current grind spot is a bad gamedesign and not meant to "motivate" pk ( so forced pvp is a bad gamedesign if grind spot are meant to motivate forced pk )

"many argument why pve are bad"  yet beside to loop yourself ( like your other buddy ) saying that you never have anything tangible to bring on the table. You are just a void trying to suggest that "one day", "somewhere" "during centrury of history" you, "eventualy" revealed the all mighty reasons and only truth about why pve channels are detrimental.

Yet, all i see, is :  You bring nothing on the table

instead of you again poor and cheap attempt at saying "your english is bad but i'am such a generous person that i get over it" If you really were, you would either provide english correction to be actual proactive and helpfull, or if you are not inclined to help for tha point, just say nothing, stop useless talk.

" Otherwise , sory to bring it again, but its closest example - there are many proves that Earth is globe and none that is flat, yet some people believe its flat..."

After bringing nothing relevant on the table,  just another empty talk as your various cheap poison wheel didnt worked out, you really thought you would go along with that  ?

stop be a clown seriously. ( if that least that was funny )

I only make fun with you( + attempt at again making look like you are the poor victim )

Better  pretending that when what you tried didnt worked, right ?  : "it's a prank bro" yeah i see the deal.

As for your self victimisation, sorry little baby, if you cant understand that explaining that your vision isnt the only one everyone have to "follow" ( which explain why a choice is a valid request ) then doesnt mean requesting you to stop have the belief you have.... That's.... /faceplam

( Or once again, you should stop your bad poison wheel attempt, as it still doesnt work )

TL;DR Yikes. can you be mature enough to save everyone from all that uselessness  ? Or are you forcing "such talk" as you have no others choice that trying to poison wheel as you have zero valid arguments to provide ?

says the guys unable to develop his premise saying : "pve channels would be detrimental to BDO". So the only resort you have is trying at fallacious logical association to make look like his unexplained premise is correct ?

Yup.

Olivia is limited because its use as boost channels for new & returning ( concept easy to grasp in such grindfest game ), seasonal, well its a season with particular settings regarding a gear made for it so to hook new /"ungeared" players => its a catch up of some sort, logic it doesnt last forever.

Yet, i still dont see where is the : its without forced pvp therefore that's why its limited

So again, unless you are for once in your serie of fallacious none "argumentation" able to actualy explain yourself, it will remain what it always be, desperate attempt at making a point as you are unable to do so with a honest argumentation.

What is this BS you trying to turn into logic? How much time you played the game in the last week. Has nothing to do with you not being dishonest or not. Actually in fact it makes your dishonesty have a little bit of gravity to lead others astray.

This not a contest where who has the most time in game is automatically right. This started out as a honest request for PvE only servers. At which point you and your kind came in and reaked pure havoc on the topic. Just because you guys disagree with other having the choice to avoid yall griefing them. For obvious reasons of course the need not be stated.

Then you guys started to do these mental gymastics. Acting like you guys are selflessly trying to do what's best for the game. When in fact, y'all selfishness and need to grief couldn't have came out any stronger. Here are the facts.....

- People are requesting PvE only servers.

- People are not asking for Forced PvP for be taken out of the game.

- You guys have attepted to bully and force yourselves on others here. Just like you guys bully and force yourselves on others in game.

- Y'all have brought nothing positive to bear discussion wise.

- You guys have thought up a lot of hypothetical falsehoods in a attempt. To make your comments hold some weight.

- Seasonal PvP is never crowded meanwhile Seasonal PvE throughout the day does become crowded.

- You guys make other threads on these forums. Demanded that your PKed victims be suspended from being able to play the game for 30 minutes or more.

- Y'all have a low quality troll of like mindedness. That belittles people just because they don't like them.

I think we'll stop here.

I even threw you guys a bone on the whole anti-PvE only server side. Which was to appeal on the fact that the Devs use forced PvP as a money fountain. In which way giving a choice to avoid abuse from sadistical people. Would decrease profits. No instead you guys feign taking the proverbial high road. All the while acting like savages. Talk about a contradiction.

"says the guys unable to develop his premise saying : "pve channels would be detrimental to BDO"

I did and you're unable do the same. Period. You're simply waiting for my words to disappear from the recent pages to hammer your nonsense again.

With these channels you even see that Devs considered Pure pve, and in the end decided to keep it as an introduction. Nothing more. You conveniently avoid the main point : you don't have access to the recent high-end grind spots on these channels. Making them effectively harmless, because you don't offer lucrative spots on a silver plate to the best geared, and you don't remove these players from owpvp by bribing them either.

BDO end-game pve comes with owpvp. That's the balance and the goal. Proven.

Now, what can we expect from a professional liar :

trying to "condemn" my behavior with a exemple where he claim that hammer are only made to be used with nails.

Your reading, and now my real words :

https://community.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?threads/id-really-like-to-see-a-pve-only-server.529268/page-31#post-2581760

My real words, screenshotted

"Take a hammer, and some nails. Simple minds would think that the hammer have been created to nail the nails. But no! Absolutely not! The hammer have been only created for those who like to smash things! Every time when a nail have been nailed with a hammer was only pure coincidence, the hammer can be replaced with other things, so it does not have any real purpose when it comes to nailing.
The proof is the following : no hammer has ever congratulated and rewarded you after nailing. "

"Parallel world", p.3, written by Stubborn D. Woots, 2020.

Now, anyone can see the gap between the real words and your interpretation. And thus see the reason why any word coming from you is at best doubtful.