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Request: NA PVE Servers
13. Feb 2021, 23:26 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 05. Mrz 2021, 16:48 (UTC)
# 221
On: Mar 3, 2021, 18:50 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

There's no normal discussion as you've been avoiding the facts for a long time. You have nothing to argue, that's the whole point. Shifting the burden of proof, using personal definitions as a fact and calling real facts "emptyness".

 

I crushed the Olvia and seasonal argument long time ago, and easily as the game itself proves you wrong with the restrictions on these channels (fact). To make it even more simple for you as you need it, let's do a comparison : an enraged beast is harmless if its movements are restricted. Does that mean it would be harmless even without restrictions?

 

 

BDO does not need any pure pve chan, or it would not be here after 5 years (fact again). Bring valid arguments about why pure pve channels would be beneficial, go on, buddy, that's your idea and you have to prove it before asking anything from your oponent. With facts, reality. Don't be shy, I've been saying many facts in my last messages, I'm sure you can do the same, right?

 

(again, I'm pushing you towards the edge. Some things really never change)

 

 

Just a small point.  I wouldn't call 5 years a particularly solid length of time.  Archeage, sad as it is, has been around longer than 5 years.  Length of time is based on how long the developers want to hang on to their game.

IMHO

 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 05. Mrz 2021, 22:13 (UTC)
# 222

Reading through most of the posts it seems that around 50% favor some pure PVE only channels, and even more would like more restrictions on open world PVP. 

 

Question is - why are the defenders of PVP so set against having PVE only servers? How does it affect or hurt them in any way? (Perhaps because the vast majority of players would be on the PVE servers?).

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Mrz 2021, 00:12 (UTC)
# 223
On: Mar 5, 2021, 22:13 (UTC), Written by ShaiPotumus

Reading through most of the posts it seems that around 50% favor some pure PVE only channels, and even more would like more restrictions on open world PVP. 

 

Question is - why are the defenders of PVP so set against having PVE only servers? How does it affect or hurt them in any way? (Perhaps because the vast majority of players would be on the PVE servers?).

 

Pretty much that. They know that most of the people they love to grief. Would just avoid them on PvE only channels. They know regular channels would end up just like the seasonal channels. The normal PvE channels will be crowded, while the PvEvP and Arsha channels will be almost empty. Most if not all the lifeskillers would more than likely stick to the PvE only channels. Most if not all players who are not PvP ready will more than likely stick to the PVE only channels.

 

So in the end they'll lose their content. Which tends to be easy to gank PvErs, Lifeskillers, low geared players, and players playing very weak 1v1 classes. So it's only natural that the select few of them be extremely vocal against PvE only channels. As it would more than like be the end of BDO for them.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Mrz 2021, 01:50 (UTC)
# 224
On: Mar 5, 2021, 22:13 (UTC), Written by ShaiPotumus

Reading through most of the posts it seems that around 50% favor some pure PVE only channels, and even more would like more restrictions on open world PVP. 

 

Question is - why are the defenders of PVP so set against having PVE only servers? How does it affect or hurt them in any way? (Perhaps because the vast majority of players would be on the PVE servers?).

 

It pulls yet another server out of the regular server, NA 5 Olvia servers that they can not use, then we Lost the Kamasylvia server cluster to Seasonal which is another 5, Someone is going to suggest that 1 PvE server isn't enough and cry that a full 5 is needed, when there isn't a need for even a single PvE server in the first place.

 

If they were to just add a server that would be PvE only that would be 1 thing, the problem is they are not going to add a server, but rather convert a server.

From the experience i've had on the Seasonal servers its just a bunch of jerks that farm over top of each other and everyone is hindered.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Mrz 2021, 02:23 (UTC)
# 225
On: Mar 6, 2021, 01:50 (UTC), Written by Werbs

 

It pulls yet another server out of the regular server, NA 5 Olvia servers that they can not use, then we Lost the Kamasylvia server cluster to Seasonal which is another 5, Someone is going to suggest that 1 PvE server isn't enough and cry that a full 5 is needed, when there isn't a need for even a single PvE server in the first place.

 

If they were to just add a server that would be PvE only that would be 1 thing, the problem is they are not going to add a server, but rather convert a server.

From the experience i've had on the Seasonal servers its just a bunch of jerks that farm over top of each other and everyone is hindered.

You cannot  compare seasonal servers to what could happen with permanent locked pve servers. In seasonal  you have most of the player base crammed into five servers while they all rush to complete the seasons challenges, everyone is going to the same areas at the same time so of course the grind areas are saturated. If there were permanent servers (one  would never suffice for fifty percent of players) there would be players of all levels and so the player base per server would be less concentrated at any given time in a grind zone. Of course the pve servers would need to be locked so once you enter you are there for good.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Mrz 2021, 08:11 (UTC)
# 226
On: Mar 6, 2021, 01:50 (UTC), Written by Werbs

 

It pulls yet another server out of the regular server, NA 5 Olvia servers that they can not use, then we Lost the Kamasylvia server cluster to Seasonal which is another 5, Someone is going to suggest that 1 PvE server isn't enough and cry that a full 5 is needed, when there isn't a need for even a single PvE server in the first place.

 

If they were to just add a server that would be PvE only that would be 1 thing, the problem is they are not going to add a server, but rather convert a server.
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You have a point about pulling existing servers. Ideally they should add a new bank of servers, but I don't see that happening.

That said, I am getting more and more annoyed by the constant ganking of my lifeskillers and characters by people that have twice the GS that I do, to the point where if a new interesting game comes out (Amazon's New World??) I will probably move on. It's not fun, it's just tiring.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Mrz 2021, 08:16 (UTC)
# 227
On: Mar 5, 2021, 09:04 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

If it needed it, the game would not have gone 5 years without regular pure pve channels, and greedy as devs and publishers are, if these channels were a good opportunity, they would not have missed it.

When you need something, there's a limit to how long you can keep going without it. Words are important you know, above all when they are in bold.  

The NEED part is the basic fallacy in your argument. People don't NEED a lot of things, that does not mean they are not wanted or not desirable.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Mrz 2021, 08:27 (UTC)
# 228
Écrit le : 5 mars 2021, 22:13 (UTC), par : ShaiPotumus

Question is - why are the defenders of PVP so set against having PVE only servers? How does it affect or hurt them in any way? (Perhaps because the vast majority of players would be on the PVE servers?).

Other than the FearlessMe assumption that seem very plausible. I can assume they cant stand players not play like they "do" regarding "pk" as they seem to be sure its the "hardcore life" everyone have to take

I kinda believe they more are living in dream of a game that isnt BDO, and regualr PVE channel ( while it would change nothing to them with a good part of the population still willing to play with PK, at least on paper ) seem like it would totaly break that dream.

Or maybe yeah, even that vocal hardcore pve channel hater know they would end to play on pve channel... xD

 

Écrit le : 5 mars 2021, 15:58 (UTC), par : Retteo

Even the so called PVPers spend their day grinding PVE not PVP. 

But, you know, that's what they call "pvpve", they pve run in circle all days bashing mobs, and if ever another polluant... sorry, player dare ignore their holy rotation dogma, they, then, have the deep players - players interaction via "pk" the game offer

And then can go back to their holy circle once they are sure to have asserted dominance. ( while certainly create envy & admiration from the pk-ed player, as they are so "skilled" )

/sarcasm.

 

 

 

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Mrz 2021, 10:54 (UTC)
# 229

I like a server like this too, but for EU :)

 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 06. Mrz 2021, 13:28 (UTC)
# 230
On: Mar 6, 2021, 08:27 (UTC), Written by Woots

But, you know, that's what they call "pvpve", they pve run in circle all days bashing mobs, and if ever another polluant... sorry, player dare ignore their holy rotation dogma, they, then, have the deep players - players interaction via "pk" the game offer

And then can go back to their holy circle once they are sure to have asserted dominance. ( while certainly create envy & admiration from the pk-ed player, as they are so "skilled" )

/sarcasm.

That's not what we "call pvpve", this IS PvPvE and it is what destroys your baseless "pvp vs pve" point of view.

And to show that you don't even understand what pvpve means, this has nothing to do with rotation. Precisely, a player can ignore all the players made-up rules and be a ruthless outlaw. That's the beauty of this freedom, and that's how deeply the owpvp is linked with the game. Open your eyes. 

 

When you bring your "pvp vs pve" argumentation, this pvpve game itself crushes it. I feel sorry for you. 

 

On: Mar 5, 2021, 22:13 (UTC), Written by ShaiPotumus

Reading through most of the posts it seems that around 50% favor some pure PVE only channels, and even more would like more restrictions on open world PVP. 

 

Question is - why are the defenders of PVP so set against having PVE only servers? How does it affect or hurt them in any way? (Perhaps because the vast majority of players would be on the PVE servers?).

- Even more separations between players when owpvp needs people to exist

- it makes no sense in a game when spots conflicts are made to be solved through discussions, sharing, but also through more brutal methods, pk, KS, mob feeding. You either remove all or remove none, unless you want to create more problems. 

- pure pve is a great advantage for players with the best gear and pve efficient classes who will be able to lock the best spots and make high benefits without any possible interference. Owpvp is far more efficient to interfere with another player than outgrinding. 

- if these servers comes without restriction, it may even act as a bribe for some well geared players who don't have problem with owpvp, but see more benefits in going on a pure pve channel. You see no problem in removing pvp-ready players through bribery, really? 

- while others players will endlessly ks each other for the scraps. Ks is not better than PK. 

- use of time and resources to create and maintain these servers

- as well as opening the Pandora's box and justifying the creation of many more egotistical requests

 

- and above all, this request is based on nothing more than the ideas of a vocal minority. If devs still didn't decide to create unrestricted pure pve channels after 5 years, they must have their opinion about it. 

 

On: Mar 6, 2021, 08:16 (UTC), Written by ShaiPotumus

The NEED part is the basic fallacy in your argument. People don't NEED a lot of things, that does not mean they are not wanted or not desirable.

If things are only wanted or desirable, but not needed, you also have to accept the fact that they will not necessarily be added. That was the point you missed. 

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