look at that guy still strawmaning around to avoid to answer. Guess it clear,  you have no argument to go against pve channel beside you onw personal perception you think it have to be imposed to everyone.

what egotistical desire ?clearly, its so egotistical to look to have a choice for players be able to choose between with or without forced pk ( so everyone will play according their preference ) Indeed, that's so egotistic compare to guys like you beeing agaisnt others having a choice and that would keep force everyone to play the way you prefer.

If you try to bring "logic" be sure it hold.

You mistake things here, i dont attack you, i'am not like you or your pk lover buddy beeing aggresive once they dont like something they read because it doesnt goes their way, i only remain focus on argument validity ( so on the fact that you still try to evade explain your premise saying pve channels are detrimental to BDO )

.And for that, its not my fault if you bring nothing beside your crappy child games "i owned you ekkekek". And your fallacy logic ( because apparently you are unable to have something else )

Sooo Its egoistic to want to keep the game the way it is, but is not ecoistic to want it changed because you dont like one of the core features ? Logic...

Are you for real ? We can call both ideas egoistic, but calling only one egoistic... well thats very selfiish kiddo. (and yes he owned so many times)

What this guy said.

If you are too weak because you haven't spent the $50,000+ and or 15,000+ hours grinding in game. Then you are simply wasting your time. As you won't be able to play the game. Because rule of the jungle and you are too weak. Might as well not even bother at this point. Because those that do will ruin your progression by feeding you to NPCs to make you lose your items.

Well said @Unknown

you have no argument to go against pve channel

You mean, except the whole list I recently gave because another one asked for it?

Do the same first, then you can talk. 

Instead, you attack me, keep calling for strawmaning, but still don't provide anything serious and you're unable to provide a similar list. 

And I can go back even more to basic and facts : pure pve is only used on Olvia and season, where players can only stay for a limited amount of time. After that, the game will come with owpvp.

See it as you wish, but for me it means pure pve is not the way devs want BDO to be, it is not a necessity, nor an unavoidable request, not even a good commercial strategy.

5 YEARS without even the slightest hint of making a unrestricted pure pve channel, 5 YEARS! XD

Facts, actions, and not words right? But while devs talk about putting a pvpve battleground (and nearly do it!), working against "karmabombing", they do not even suggest a pure pve setting. Not even a word.

The game provides a choice, you want another choice, devs considered pure pve but they decided it was only good as a temporary situation. Your request is the egotistical one. 

Stay in your delusion, what else could I say to you? 

Wouldn't adding a PVE Server be more restrictive?  I mean, it's a server that restricts PVP.

BDO is supposed to be a sandbox MMORPG.  Sandbox implies player "freedom", for lack of a better word, at least to me...freedom to choose how you want to play.  And everyone gets to do so, in the same, shared space, in BDO this includes all sorts of playstyles, all of us from the bloodthirsty to the innocent.  Wouldn't adding a PVE Server defeat this?

It makes me sad when I read people getting griefed and seemingly cannot find a way to avoid / circumvent it.  That's part of the game -- finding ways to circumvent bad situations is part of this sandboxy MMO isn't it?  Along with other parts like creating good situations with others as well?  Especially when the game has so many servers, so many rotations, and the ability to freely swap with a cooldown.

>>>>> What if, if you're being griefed and repeatedly get PK'd, your channel swap cooldown reduces so you can swap faster?

I hope the devs canfigure this out.  Using organic means, like fixing how karma works and imposing harsher penalties for those who kill with impunity.  Maybe some benefits for doign good deeds.  Something like this.  IDK.  Adding PVE server to BDO feels "forced" to me.

I would argue that switching Olvia to no non GvG PvP was a huge mistake.  Yeah it brought a very tiny few amount of players that would otherwise have quit into the game, but it also taught all new players that they can be dicks when it comes to grinding and there are no consequences.  Then when they actually get into the real servers, those same players who were dicks to everyone around them by grinding over top of each other, run to the Forums to cry that they no longer can be dicks when at grind spots and that they "need" a PvE server.

I think pearl abyss isn't fond of the Idea to have a real pve server im certain no matter the region, the pve server discussion is anywere and yet nothing changed for a long time now. 

I can only guess why they took the stance to keep silent about that matter and ignore it to the best of their abilities but thats just all speculation. I feel like the season servers are some kind of curious probing how well pve servers would be recieved by the players and how they influence the spendings of the playerbase on that shards comparing to normal ones.

Im sure PA is aware that PvE servers are in demand and would be full with players, they just not sure if thats a good thing and how it would affect their income. After all this whole competetion over grinding spots was made intentionally and bdo revolve around conflict between players. Those who fail to compete often put in money to gain a foothold in hopes to compensate for their poor handling of their avatars. They might spend a lot less money on a server were that isn't necessary. People who spend a lot of money and effort might run out of people to kill if the normal servers become deserted, because people rather accept shitty overpopulated grindspots than being killed out of their spots from someone with more skill or better gear.

I feel at one point PvE servers will come but i hope that point is still far in the future.

Actulay last year the devs stated that they want to keep the game PvP oriented like its on normal servers. Some interwiew ot stream. And seasonsbeen good catch up are also good cash grab. Not sure if PvE server gona take out of that cash. But yea probably one day they will add PvE serve since Red Desert turn out to be single play with coop and not MMO...

I will keep you call a strawman ( i mean that's what you do ) to answer nothing as

1- So what ? still doesnt show anything regarding how pve channel would be detrimental to BDO.

Yet it show BDO without forced pvp live very well ( as they never reverted back Olivia from full pve and keep setup their season full pve with 1 arsha )

2- Like 5years of only nerfing forced pvp, so ? how do it show that pve channel would be detrimental to BDO ?

As for the act, well, they ran olivia & seasonal pve instead of keeping them with forced pvp / add smoother entrance to that "forced pvp".

It was just straight disabled

Seems like the "commercial strategy" you spoke about is to not display a BDO with forced pvp to "all new players" ( act & fact remember )

So again, you then have nothing as argument to demonstrate how pve channel would be detrimental to BDO.

"The game provides a choice, you want another choice," The game doesnt provide choice, as its not possible to fully and "at will" opt out forced pvp without beeing hindered, that's why that request live since so long.

As the devs themself said they think about players not liking "pvp" ( 2013 interview ) so that request only is there to show them that the middle ground they, for now, kept isnt good enough for thoses not liking "pvp". It still keep align with their initial desire.

As again, that request dont have for goal to prevent all pk addict to play with all other pk addict.

Yep, but if these channels appear, it will probably be the last attempt to grab the remaining money before they let the game slowly die. Nothing's worse than devs themselves ignoring their own words about a core mechanics.