Yep, but if these channels appear, it will probably be the last attempt to grab the remaining money before they let the game slowly die. Nothing's worse than devs themselves ignoring their own words about a core mechanics.

Yea changing core part of the game might be very dangerous. Might be done right, but it takes times and resources. Best exapmle is New World... But some people dont understand that a game is not a simple product. They dont understand and dont care - "i want no matter what". Lets hope the devs stick to their idea and plan, making changes carefuly.

I will keep you call a strawman ( i mean that's what you do ) to answer nothing as

1- So what ? still doesnt show anything regarding how pve channel would be detrimental to BDO.

Yet it show BDO without forced pvp live very well ( as they never reverted back Olivia from full pve and keep setup their season full pve with 1 arsha )

2- Like 5years of only nerfing forced pvp, so ? how do it show that pve channel would be detrimental to BDO ?

As for the act, well, they ran olivia & seasonal pve instead of keeping them with forced pvp / add smoother entrance to that "forced pvp".

It was just straight disabled

Seems like the "commercial strategy" you spoke about is to not display a BDO with forced pvp to "all new players" ( act & fact remember )

So again, you then have nothing as argument to demonstrate how pve channel would be detrimental to BDO.

"The game provides a choice, you want another choice," The game doesnt provide choice, as its not possible to fully and "at will" opt out forced pvp without beeing hindered, that's why that request live since so long.

As the devs themself said they think about players not liking "pvp" ( 2013 interview ) so that request only is there to show them that the middle ground they, for now, kept isnt good enough for thoses not liking "pvp". It still keep align with their initial desire.

As again, that request dont have for goal to prevent all pk addict to play with all other pk addict.

I will keep you call a strawman ( i mean that's what you do ) to answer nothing as

1- So what ? still doesnt show anything regarding how pve channel would be detrimental to BDO.

Yet it show BDO without forced pvp live very well ( as they never reverted back Olivia from full pve and keep setup their season full pve with 1 arsha )

2- Like 5years of only nerfing forced pvp, so ? how do it show that pve channel would be detrimental to BDO ?

As for the act, well, they ran olivia & seasonal pve instead of keeping them with forced pvp / add smoother entrance to that "forced pvp".

It was just straight disabled

Seems like the "commercial strategy" you spoke about is to not display a BDO with forced pvp to "all new players" ( act & fact remember )

So again, you then have nothing as argument to demonstrate how pve channel would be detrimental to BDO.

"The game provides a choice, you want another choice," The game doesnt provide choice, as its not possible to fully and "at will" opt out forced pvp without beeing hindered, that's why that request live since so long.

As the devs themself said they think about players not liking "pvp" ( 2013 interview ) so that request only is there to show them that the middle ground they, for now, kept isnt good enough for thoses not liking "pvp". It still keep align with their initial desire.

As again, that request dont have for goal to prevent all pk addict to play with all other pk addict.

Well, unrestricted pure pve would require many other tweaks to be really harmless to BDO. Everything's possible, as always, but will they choose to go on such a direction and abandon the current pvpve orientation they still gave us recently? (Hadum, pvpve settings, not available in pure pve)

That would be a big change in their decision! ^^

And yeah... New world... Their implementation of the pvp seems strange, I wonder how the game will be at launch. I'm not very confident in its quality because of the way they throw things out to work on new ones. 

If it needed it, the game would not have gone 5 years without regular pure pve channels, and greedy as devs and publishers are, if these channels were a good opportunity, they would not have missed it.

When you need something, there's a limit to how long you can keep going without it. Words are important you know, above all when they are in bold. 

And players can begin on pure pve tutorial channels, but they will sooner or later end up on regular pvpve channels if they keep playing. Your point? Even I did my season char on pure pve season because I had to be on season to grind enhancement stones, find people for the weekly quests, while avoiding conflicts to spend the minimum time there and get the fat rewards. Efficiency before everything else, after that I went back on my main char. 

You mean, the fact that season easily gives a decent starting stuff, fat rewards, force players to grind there for enhancement materials is irrelevant in front of the simple fact that there are pure pve channels? 

And remember that Olvia was putting together real newbies and seasoned players in a pvpve setting before the change? What makes you think that season Arsha will be better, above all without Karma system? The security of a pure pve tutorial channel is not necessarily a bad thing to familiarize the new player with the game. 

But what can I expect from somebody who tries to disregard facts while relying on something that is supposed to be "highly likely to be false". 

For woots, again, poor attempt to shift the burden of proof. You don't have any right to require something from me when you don't prove anything to begin with, and you're the one asking for a change. 

Prove first then we can talk. Until this moment, you stay wrong. Enough with made-up numbers, percentages, definitions : only facts. As I did, even if you don't like it. 

I honestly don't really see the problem here, more options is rarely a bad thing

If people want to play on a PvE server, let them, by your own definition they're going to progress slower because spots are going to be more contested without a way to clear them.

If people want to play on a PvPvE server, let them, they're going to play like always.

If people want to play on a PvP server, let them, everybody is red and it's alot of fun.

I don't see the point of going against something that won't impact you, unless you're worried that all the PvErs will leave for those servers and you'll only find PvPers around (which means no more easy kills).

I honestly don't really see the problem here, more options is rarely a bad thing

If people want to play on a PvE server, let them, by your own definition they're going to progress slower because spots are going to be more contested without a way to clear them.

If people want to play on a PvPvE server, let them, they're going to play like always.

If people want to play on a PvP server, let them, everybody is red and it's alot of fun.

I don't see the point of going against something that won't impact you, unless you're worried that all the PvErs will leave for those servers and you'll only find PvPers around (which means no more easy kills).

I honestly don't really see the problem here, more options is rarely a bad thing

If people want to play on a PvE server, let them, by your own definition they're going to progress slower because spots are going to be more contested without a way to clear them.

If people want to play on a PvPvE server, let them, they're going to play like always.

If people want to play on a PvP server, let them, everybody is red and it's alot of fun.

I don't see the point of going against something that won't impact you, unless you're worried that all the PvErs will leave for those servers and you'll only find PvPers around (which means no more easy kills).