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#Meinung
Request: NA PVE Servers
13. Feb 2021, 23:26 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 15:48 (UTC)
# 301
On: Mar 9, 2021, 09:43 (UTC), Written by Camomille

Valheim,Steam,5 millions copies...Open World Survival CraftOnline Co-OpSurvival+
PVE SANDBOX!
But you can organize PVP if you want ^^
PVE Sandbox is a thing...
Just...It's not P2W so you don't need non-consenting preys to feed the whales or no-lifer killers.

 

I love BDO but I stopped PVP at level 56 a long time ago...when I saw you can progress forever...and widen the gap forever...
Now,I play Explorer.
So much things I never saw because yes I was only "Leveling" and making money to be more powerful to make more money to be more powerful to make...
So...STOP!
That kind of things is here only for PA to make money...not for the enjoyment of majority of players.
PVP channels are never full,why?
They are few...every openPVP lovers should be here,no?

 

I'm sure if they can sell a transfer pass 100 Euros per character to be only PVE...we are going to get a PVE server xD

A lot of the reason for originally choosing BDO was the near infinite progression.  It suits a certain segment of the market.  I really prefer that over games that you will simply become max level within a few weeks.  It makes the journey feel pointless because that's essentially the end of the game.

 

So the infinite growth isn't really a negative aspect of BDO for many.  It's one of the best parts.  It just depends on your interests, goals, and what's suitable for you.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 16:00 (UTC)
# 302
On: Mar 9, 2021, 07:18 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

How so? Care to elaborate and/or copy paste a quote of mine where I have done what you're accusing me of?

 

And how is comparing an active, verifiable, BDO forum account that's linked to an in-game account to an unverifiable, non-linked account and then laughing at it an Ad Hominem? Maybe you need to Google what an ad hominem fallacy is. It's there in plain sight -- Vortexii's new forum account is NON-LINKED. I find that quite, quite funny indeed.

 

Running to his rescue as always. I find it peculiar how you and he always love each other's posts, ever since the old forum. The two users who love to hate on BDO.

 

Accuse me of being a "Trump bigot" without showing me how? Sounds like a projection. Enjoy being reported.

 

But while you're at it, please, copy and paste any evidence that "I'm doing what he's doing", and by that, I assume strawmanning, providing contradictory information of a made-up scenario and/ or throwing shade to the game and the community. I care about this game and this community, which is more than what you and Vortexii can ever say.

 

I literally try my best to be a "good" community member, with my personal interest aligning with what's best for the game and community itself, so if I have made any comments that go against that (aside from my insults to this, specific, "user"), then it should be proven and shown to all, in verifiable, plain text.

 

 

You don't try at all to be a good community member.  You resort to insults and name calling.  You write things like "You're a clown" then the next post your claiming to do everything you can to be a good community member?

 

You ask for contradictions, that you would deny anyway.  You don't bother reading posts or trying to comprehend them.  You troll people constantly.

 

You do everything in bad faith then just accuse others of it.

 

Instead of thinking about what Fearless said you immediately tried to discredit anything he ever says.  I know YOU can't see these things, but you should know OTHERS can.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 16:06 (UTC)
# 303
On: Mar 9, 2021, 14:30 (UTC), Written by Wolfenzero

That's where, in my opinion, you're wrong.

 

It won't break the game. Your gameplay on your PvPvE server won't change, you will just share it with people that want to share it (so, like minded people).

 

Another misconception is that the PvE servers (or worlds) must be shared with the PvPvE ones by freely allowing people to swap in between, that is merely an option the devs can explore, but it doesn't have to be like that.

 

They could completely separate the two worlds (by not allowing to change in between) thus effectively giving you two distint options on how to play the game (then it doesn't matter that in some people opinion the only good thing about this game is the PvP, that is merely an opinion that is not shared among everyone, at that point data will talk).

The design would be very problematic and would not fit into the current model.  Players would essentially either need to select a server type or have to restart everything.  They would be locked into only that option.  (With PAID options to fix that of course).  That's not how it works for Arsha, and that's fine.  There are simply to many huge negative factors in trying to limit which servers a player can choose.  And there really isn't a need or benefit to it.

 

You CAN NOT make the argument that people could just power up their characters and then enter PVP conditions either.  Despite PeaceInChaos failing to understand this, you can already do that with life skills.  You can AFK level to highest levels in the game.  With BROKEN AFK progression that doesn't scale you down let alone the absurd rates.  You can buy BILLIONS of silver value instantly.  You can lifeskill on 49 alts.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 16:19 (UTC)
# 304
Écrit le : 9 mars 2021, 16:00 (UTC), par : Retteo

You don't try at all to be a good community member.  You resort to insults and name calling.  You write things like "You're a clown" then the next post your claiming to do everything you can to be a good community member?

 

You ask for contradictions, that you would deny anyway.  You don't bother reading posts or trying to comprehend them.  You troll people constantly.

 

You do everything in bad faith then just accuse others of it.

 

Instead of thinking about what Fearless said you immediately tried to discredit anything he ever says.  I know YOU can't see these things, but you should know OTHERS can.

 

Look at you virtue signaling so hard while every vet knows you're also know as 2Cents/Vortexii, the user that is so aggressive and hostile that you got banned for MONTHS on Kakao forums and had to make a new forum account so that you could keep posting, hilarious.

 

If anyone has spred toxicity so much while contributing constructively so little it's you, 2Cents.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 18:56 (UTC)
# 305
On: Mar 9, 2021, 16:00 (UTC), Written by Retteo

You don't try at all to be a good community member.  You resort to insults and name calling.  You write things like "You're a clown" then the next post your claiming to do everything you can to be a good community member?

 

You ask for contradictions, that you would deny anyway.  You don't bother reading posts or trying to comprehend them.  You troll people constantly.

 

You do everything in bad faith then just accuse others of it.

 

Instead of thinking about what Fearless said you immediately tried to discredit anything he ever says.  I know YOU can't see these things, but you should know OTHERS can.

Have you noticed I only call YOU these things?  I don't even call Fearless or Woots as bad as things as you.  Bruh.  Do the math. 

 

You and your NON-LINKED account can go away and we would all be better for it.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 18:59 (UTC)
# 306
On: Mar 9, 2021, 16:19 (UTC), Written by Smileybones

 

Look at you virtue signaling so hard while every vet knows you're also know as 2Cents/Vortexii, the user that is so aggressive and hostile that you got banned for MONTHS on Kakao forums and had to make a new forum account so that you could keep posting, hilarious.

 

If anyone has spred toxicity so much while contributing constructively so little it's you, 2Cents.

The same user who literally said he wants to burn PA to the ground, or something of that affect.  I remember.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 20:23 (UTC)
# 307

OK this topic will never end, I will put my last words/opinions and be done with this thread that devolved into drivel.  It's a bit of a rant post, but if you're open to honest discussion, it's my point of view.  There will always be people asking for PVE Only server in BDO, I feel, most being new players or low geared / lacking in skill.  The ONLY reason being "so I can't get killed by another player".  That's literally the ONLY reason.

 

A crap reason, IMO.  Why, you may ask?  Well, because I've been there.  Do you think I was always geared enough to defend myself confidently?  Nope.  I was super low geared for the first 2 years of my time here.  And this was during Sausan's / Pirate's days -- PVP was WAAAAY more poppin' back then compared to how tame it is nowadays.  ESP when you have Seasonal Server.  Anyway, back then, PVP was pretty much understood by all players who grinded mobs --- those of us who braved into Pirate Island or Sausan's knew this quite well.  But now, with the influx of 1-2 year or less players who likely came from other MMO's like WOW or ESO start playing BDO and see how different it is, how PVP is so intertwined with PVE, they want to change it.  For ONLY the fact they get killed by others.  As if swap server doesn't exist.

 

I had to fight and claw my way up.  Taking side rotations at Pirate's.  Taking the Beach rotation at Sausan's.  Avoiding main rotations for fear of my virtual life and embrarassment because I was low geared and would get stomped.  I know how it feels to be weak and the desire to be strong.  For me, this was MOTIVATION.  When you're out grinding mobs, you need to know PVP is a possibility -- You're grinding mobs!!  BDO is not some candy-land, cotton-pillow, strawberry-gum-drops game.  Go play Barbie Horse game if so.  I had to go through the gamut -- so why do YOU get special treatment, huh?

 

You guys whine and compain about "whales" killing you.  How do you know they're actually whales?  How do you know they're that much more geared than you?  You don't.  I'm willing to bet the majority of your PK deaths come from people right around your GS, give or take. Unless you're grinding Star's End with like less than 261ap/320dp Kutum, which is on the low side of gear at SE.  But at that point, you take a side rotation, like I did at Pirates some years ago, and gear and skill your way up to better rotations.

 

People like Fearless, Woots and Vortexii, to all of you I say, get over yourself. Does BDO make you mad because it doesn't tickle your ego like Guld Wars or ESO as a gearlet?  Does it make you sad that your ego cannot be so easily tickled in BDO, that you actually have to put in serious work, make calculated risks, experience serious losses, to get geared, and cant just spam the same dungeon over and over?  You want to make BDO easier for you, so you remove PVP, so you can just grind, uninterrupted -- I didn't have that luxury, neither did any other veteran, so why are you such a special snowflake that you get this special treatment?  What do you guys ever do aside from trash this game and this community?  Nothing -- just trash the game and trash community members.  And know the ONLY people I talk harshly to are YOU THREE, DO THE MATH.

 

Fearless, did you reinstall BDO yet?  Retto, or whatever your name is (Vorexii), are you going to link your account yet?  Woots, -_- just ugh.

 

The gripes of Lifeskillers, I can feel that.  You, I can feel for.  But mob-grinders, psssh -- no.  Go lifeskill if you're so afraid of PVP, because PVP happens over grind spots a lot.  Don't want to PVP?  Then don't grind mobs.  Want to grind mobs with no PVP?  Play another game.  I had to deal with all of what yo're complaining about, but look at me now -- I can show you my gear and control of my class if you want.  Wouldn't have got here without the motivation to get stronger, and that motivation came from getting rekked, many, many times.  OWPVP is so tame now anyways, it's so rare compared to before.  There's so many rotations and channels.  Maybe if they reduced the channel swap CD if you're getting killed over and over, it could help.  Lots of other QoL things and reworks of systems, etc. too, but acomplete shift of BDO from PvPvE to PvE Only?....even on one server?....dunno how to say just how wrong that feels.

 

PVE server in BDO is simply not BDO.  BDO is PvPvE since day freaking ONE of release.  On all servers.  Can't split the community either by making dedicated servers and forcing people to stay in one permanently.  That's just dumb.  BUT IF a PVE Only server is introduced, then I hope it comes with foresight and planning by the devs.  Can't just wake up one day and be like "OK we gonna bring PVE Only servers" and laddie daddie their way around it. 

 

PVE Only needs to be carefully implemented, they can't be all willy-nilly about it with not a shred of logic, critical thinking and being educated about what's really good for the game, something Woots would love.  And I commend the devs for not doing so and making small introductions like Season.  The same devs who literally said PVE Only is against the vision of BDO.  I hope they stick to their words, despite all the carebear cries, "waaah help me PA, I am but smol poor boi, I cannot fite big man.  Save me PA, remove PVP".  PSSSSSSH!!!  How about a Lifeskill Server?  Haven't read anyone suggest THAT! 

 

You want all the benefits of a normal channel without the risk of PK -- how entitled do you have to be to want that?

 

But who knows, maybe one day you'll get your sacred safe space.  That day will be the day BDO stop raking in BILLIONS of dollars, though, I predict.  We know why people spend lots of money here -- it's for gear.  What do you need gear for?  PVE?  LOOOOOOL, please!  Yeah right.  People whale $$$ on gear -- FOR PVP.  Melting Crons, Artisans, all that are for gear -- gear that's used for PVP.  Something to keep in mind.  Company's gotta make money, you know.  Good luck whaling when you can't even smash Crons on Manos clothes.  And good luck whaling when 281ap/325dp is enough gear for like 90%+ of the grind zones.  The point here is PVP makes them money.  So unless that changes, then I can't see them adding a PVE Only server to BDO anytime soon.

 

You're free to your opinion.  Well, so am I.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 22:28 (UTC)
# 308
On: Mar 9, 2021, 14:03 (UTC), Written by Woots

 

Actualy, if you would had understood the pve channel request correctly, a part of the players base dont complain because diversity, they complain for a lack of diversity ( as there is no other path than a pve WITH forced pvp )

That thread actual request for more diversity  => a no forced pvp path option.

The request is clearly understood, but not supported by some of us. 

And you request from devs something that they avoided until now. You want a choice that do not exist in BDO, at least not if you want to actively play the game in the long run.

But did you ever wonder why they choose to give the current choice, and not the one you want? For you, is it nothing more than a dice roll, a random decision ?

(yeah, I know, I'm ambitious, I want to make you think... About it.. ) 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 22:38 (UTC)
# 309
On: Mar 9, 2021, 22:27 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

The request is clearly understood, but not supported by some of us. 

And you request from devs something that they avoided until now. You want a choice that do not exist in BDO, at least not if you want to actively play the game in the long run.

But did you ever wonder why they choose to give the current choice, and not the one you want? For you, is it nothing more than a dice roll, a random decision ?

(yeah, I know, I'm ambitious, I want to make you think... About it.. ) 

The Majority of the gaming community does not support OWPVP servers.  They would especially not appreciate it today with what a mess the game has become.  BDO's population is a mere fraction of an actual MMO community.  Even with the niche audience polls demonstrated they still don't really like PVP very much.

 

And of course they don't.  The game has better things to offer than 1combo PVP, massively unbalanced classes, and gear score meta.  The majority of the gaming community won't even run BDO 24/7 let alone play 1,000's of hours or pay astronomical amounts to try to keep up.

 

In the end they will all end losing anyway.  The PVP is as bad as the mob AI.  Uninspired, poor quality game play. 

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 10. Mrz 2021, 02:48 (UTC)
# 310
On: Mar 9, 2021, 20:23 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

OK this topic will never end, I will put my last words/opinions and be done with this thread that devolved into drivel.  It's a bit of a rant post, but if you're open to honest discussion, it's my point of view.  There will always be people asking for PVE Only server in BDO, I feel, most being new players or low geared / lacking in skill.  The ONLY reason being "so I can't get killed by another player".  That's literally the ONLY reason.

 

A crap reason, IMO.  Why, you may ask?  Well, because I've been there.  Do you think I was always geared enough to defend myself confidently?  Nope.  I was super low geared for the first 2 years of my time here.  And this was during Sausan's / Pirate's days -- PVP was WAAAAY more poppin' back then compared to how tame it is nowadays.  ESP when you have Seasonal Server.  Anyway, back then, PVP was pretty much understood by all players who grinded mobs --- those of us who braved into Pirate Island or Sausan's knew this quite well.  But now, with the influx of 1-2 year or less players who likely came from other MMO's like WOW or ESO start playing BDO and see how different it is, how PVP is so intertwined with PVE, they want to change it.  For ONLY the fact they get killed by others.  As if swap server doesn't exist.

 

I had to fight and claw my way up.  Taking side rotations at Pirate's.  Taking the Beach rotation at Sausan's.  Avoiding main rotations for fear of my virtual life and embrarassment because I was low geared and would get stomped.  I know how it feels to be weak and the desire to be strong.  For me, this was MOTIVATION.  When you're out grinding mobs, you need to know PVP is a possibility -- You're grinding mobs!!  BDO is not some candy-land, cotton-pillow, strawberry-gum-drops game.  Go play Barbie Horse game if so.  I had to go through the gamut -- so why do YOU get special treatment, huh?

 

You guys whine and compain about "whales" killing you.  How do you know they're actually whales?  How do you know they're that much more geared than you?  You don't.  I'm willing to bet the majority of your PK deaths come from people right around your GS, give or take. Unless you're grinding Star's End with like less than 261ap/320dp Kutum, which is on the low side of gear at SE.  But at that point, you take a side rotation, like I did at Pirates some years ago, and gear and skill your way up to better rotations.

 

People like Fearless, Woots and Vortexii, to all of you I say, get over yourself. Does BDO make you mad because it doesn't tickle your ego like Guld Wars or ESO as a gearlet?  Does it make you sad that your ego cannot be so easily tickled in BDO, that you actually have to put in serious work, make calculated risks, experience serious losses, to get geared, and cant just spam the same dungeon over and over?  You want to make BDO easier for you, so you remove PVP, so you can just grind, uninterrupted -- I didn't have that luxury, neither did any other veteran, so why are you such a special snowflake that you get this special treatment?  What do you guys ever do aside from trash this game and this community?  Nothing -- just trash the game and trash community members.  And know the ONLY people I talk harshly to are YOU THREE, DO THE MATH.

 

Fearless, did you reinstall BDO yet?  Retto, or whatever your name is (Vorexii), are you going to link your account yet?  Woots, -_- just ugh.

 

The gripes of Lifeskillers, I can feel that.  You, I can feel for.  But mob-grinders, psssh -- no.  Go lifeskill if you're so afraid of PVP, because PVP happens over grind spots a lot.  Don't want to PVP?  Then don't grind mobs.  Want to grind mobs with no PVP?  Play another game.  I had to deal with all of what yo're complaining about, but look at me now -- I can show you my gear and control of my class if you want.  Wouldn't have got here without the motivation to get stronger, and that motivation came from getting rekked, many, many times.  OWPVP is so tame now anyways, it's so rare compared to before.  There's so many rotations and channels.  Maybe if they reduced the channel swap CD if you're getting killed over and over, it could help.  Lots of other QoL things and reworks of systems, etc. too, but acomplete shift of BDO from PvPvE to PvE Only?....even on one server?....dunno how to say just how wrong that feels.

 

PVE server in BDO is simply not BDO.  BDO is PvPvE since day freaking ONE of release.  On all servers.  Can't split the community either by making dedicated servers and forcing people to stay in one permanently.  That's just dumb.  BUT IF a PVE Only server is introduced, then I hope it comes with foresight and planning by the devs.  Can't just wake up one day and be like "OK we gonna bring PVE Only servers" and laddie daddie their way around it. 

 

PVE Only needs to be carefully implemented, they can't be all willy-nilly about it with not a shred of logic, critical thinking and being educated about what's really good for the game, something Woots would love.  And I commend the devs for not doing so and making small introductions like Season.  The same devs who literally said PVE Only is against the vision of BDO.  I hope they stick to their words, despite all the carebear cries, "waaah help me PA, I am but smol poor boi, I cannot fite big man.  Save me PA, remove PVP".  PSSSSSSH!!!  How about a Lifeskill Server?  Haven't read anyone suggest THAT! 

 

You want all the benefits of a normal channel without the risk of PK -- how entitled do you have to be to want that?

 

But who knows, maybe one day you'll get your sacred safe space.  That day will be the day BDO stop raking in BILLIONS of dollars, though, I predict.  We know why people spend lots of money here -- it's for gear.  What do you need gear for?  PVE?  LOOOOOOL, please!  Yeah right.  People whale $$ on gear -- FOR PVP.  Melting Crons, Artisans, all that are for gear -- gear that's used for PVP.  Something to keep in mind.  Company's gotta make money, you know.  Good luck whaling when you can't even smash Crons on Manos clothes.  And good luck whaling when 281ap/325dp is enough gear for like 90%+ of the grind zones.  The point here is PVP makes them money.  So unless that changes, then I can't see them adding a PVE Only server to BDO anytime soon.

 

You're free to your opinion.  Well, so am I.

 

Have you not read my latest posts? Obviously you didn't. Or else you would have known. I no longer advocate for PvE servers. Instead I try to get those who do to see reason, on why it's not going to happen. And make they next moves base on that fact. 

 

You talk about advocating whats good for that game. Than let me ask you these few questions.

- How is advocating for victims of PKs to be denied playtime is good for the game?

- How is advocating for less penalties for PKing griefers good for the game?

- How is advocating for new and upcoming players to be fodder for Whales good for the game?

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