Someone get ready to dispatch the Whaambulance...

On: Feb 25, 2024, 09:24 (UTC), Written by Okimura

Do you know Palworld? It came out a month ago, I tryhard this game, I spent 400 hours (11h/day? in hard mod) improving my build, I loved playing it and you know what I liked the most?

Anyone else notice how this starts by soliciting another game?

I've seen some Hundreds of players land on the game and in a few months onetape / twotape all their equipment, get 3 T10s in 10 clicks in total, they are even forced to click other T10s because they have crafted around twenty tries... people who have 3 pen debo in not even 5 clicks... and then you have the others who will spend 2 years clicking without any results, without any advancement... and then you have the CMs who will tell you, " you just have to buy them at the market place"

Well even "hundreds of players" out of +200 thousand comes down to less than onehalf of a percent. At most 900 players in 200K is 0.45% and personally I must have missed the part about this being a FREE to PLAY game??

I have also played other MMORPGs, and the difference with bdo?

Then why are you here, assuming you found this "perfect MMO" elsewhere? In all my experience ( roughly 15 years ) I have never found any "perfect" game.  I think the one I liked the most was the original Guild Wars, it is a shame the developers allow it to rot while so called sequel sits upon the throne.

And then there's the famous "rng" where you have mega carried people and others where the game sucks.. they really think that seeing players first try all their equipment in a few months while roofing struggles for years will this encourage you to enjoy playing? They think that by frustrating the players they will end up in cash shop??

At this point, it is abundantly apparent to me, you come here for just ONE play style. My grand daughter and I have spent a lot of money on this game's vitual doll house feature.  Women do tend to gravitate toward gathering, while men are more into the war and hunting mechanics. There is a lot for everyone to do, when one doesn't have tunnel vision.

The most frustrating thing about this game is not not succeeding... it's trying hard and seeing that other people with not even 1/1000th of your effort manage to do much better just because the "rng "decided like this... that's what's frustrating about this game and that you hear players complaining about it all the time in discord.. there's no problem that the game is hard if everyone has an equal chance... but that's not at all the case... I'm talking about optimization and accessories that downgrade or breaks... but it's valid even for loot... for treasures and other rare resources..

I have actually seen this rant before on other forums. Recently last year, I started playing Eve Online ( owned by Pearl Abyss since 2018 ) and people there complain because it is suppose to be "Free to Play" but about 80% of the PvP is behind a paywall.  Players tend to post rants about how "hard" it is to start playing and survive an open PvP world while attempting to mine ore ( grind virtual currency ) with little to no protection.  Here you are given protection to level 50 and then you are safe within city limits.  While these new free players complain about the Eve game, I have no issue accumulating wealth and in 6 months ( without dropping a single dime to play ) I managed to build a space station worth billions.  However my heart is in fantasy RP and not sci-fi PvP.  I just like dipping my feet in other pools.

I speak for myself but I took the example of other players and friends with the same feelings..

Small groups are called cults.  Not to be confused with the occult, the knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.  When you say, "My friends and I enjoy The Rocky Horror Picture Show we watch it every year on Halloween."  That means the movie is a cult classic and you are in a cult that likes it.  Small groups never represent the whole.

Enjoy whatever it is you do.

OK, I get the idea. I was surprised by the comparison with a recent game, a mainstream one at that, so I couldn't understand where you were going with that. Palworld is precisely one of those games aiming at satisfying players even if it means reaching near endgame on a short period, what may be lacking later is the incentive to keep on going : that's a fundamental point if we compare with BDO.

What matters there, in the end, is what the player himself is looking for. 

I didn't do any of that. Like typical type person can only agree with their opinion or them and their buddies mass report anything that upsets them which is everything then keep responding to deleted comments. Don't make a thread if you guys can't handle people not agreeing with you. OMG a guy on EU might blacklist me on NA will have such an impact on my life and means your opinions are right. 

Yea 400 hours is a ridiculously long amount of time haha. That's longer than probably any single player game. The only games I've played for longer than that as single player were like disgaea and civ. Even a game like diablo, grim dawn I don't think I got 400.

I admire OP for putting in da work tho. But in the end, you get there, and there is no more fun. It sucks. I def dislike BDO progression, mainly because I've watched it make almost everyone I know rage quit. They really just need to increase probability after fails. People will still get carried, but closing the gap so people still get there is v important, imo.

I said this before, but I still don't mind BDO as a game... I've never played a p2w game before, and this is not that bad. Of course, I'm undergeared, etc, and I just do my own thing, but it offers me enough to engage my mind, which is the ultimate goal. Winning is good, too, but what even is winning in BDO? Like said, that will lead you to cash shop.

What OP is getting at here, is that unlike palworld, BDO's progress is based on rng, coupled with the lack of diversity in player builds. The most customization u will get in this game is during character creation but even then most opt to open the beauty gallery and pick out the most popular ones and make little tweaks here and there. The game feels stagnant, without any vibrancy. **(sidenote to OP: i do find it funny u mentioned palworld as I was literally writing a post about what the devs could learn from it, which i will be posting later, glad im not the only one who feels like bdo could take some notes from it)**

BDO is not a game. Its a framework for abusive monetization.

If you let this sink in, everything becomes clear, why what is happening, why PA does what it does.

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BDO will never implement what you're asking for - linear progression. If you want to see a decent one, you don't have to look to new games, Monster Hunter (Now 6 years old) has an almost perfect linear progression.

A. Because S.Korean culture feeds into these types of gacha games*;

B. Because they wouldn't know how to do it anyway** and;

C. Linear progression is very difficult to monetize consistently;

{Not excusing them, just stating their (flawed) reasoning}

*If you ask the average Korean Gamer, they will tell you that progressing with your wallet is a viable strategy for victory. It comes from the fact that S.Korea is one of the worst caste-based societies currently in the world (the same families that were kings and emperors now own Samsung, Kia, and so on) and it's deeply ingrained in every fiber of their society, from organization to the language itself. Also, a little-known fact, take a look at the last name of J and the biggest shareholder in PA....

**They could take A LOT of hints from a game they already own [Eve Online] on how to do linear progression, how to monetize more healthily, and how to create an even better player-controlled sandbox. Unfortunately, they perceive Eve only as a cash cow, even though it's immensely successful in the West, and have not taken a single hint from how Icelandic-based CCP is running that awesome alternate [Sci-fi] universe. BDO has the potential to be "fantasy Eve" or "fantasy SW: Galaxies", its just that the dev/management team doesn't have the necessary vision and is highly aversive to any kind of external feedback. Their strategy is, break stuff, apologize profusely {almost kissing the ground}, but don't take any responsibility {aka Resign from the position you f-ed things from}.

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I am not a human. I am just a robot here to wipe teflon.

Yeah, RNG def has some huge cons to it.  A Tuvala player getting PEN Blackstar on their very first attempt at 150 FS with a J's Hammer versus players who have failed their attempts 50 times in a row at 250 stacks is a very possible scenario and this is due to the nature of RNG.

However, due to changes in the game, particularly the Central Market in this example, progress has never been easier in BDO.  All it takes is careful planning, seeing the task through, and enough drive to complete the grind.  BDO is a grinder-game, after all is said and done.  Always has been a grinder-game at heart.

Nearly all gear related items can be purchased with silver now -- and this bypasses RNG completely.  Barring some very, very rare items like PEN Deboreka and the nearly impossible PEN Slumbering God pieces, PEN Blackstar and pretty much every other accessory can be purchased with silver.  Couple this with the drastic increase of silver per hour compared to 5 years ago (or so, IDK the exact time they buffed all spots), purchasing gear through CM is a realistic goal, even for more casual players.

I am not arguing how crappy and unfair RNG can be.  It 100% is.  I am just saying you can buy your gear to bypass it, basically.  Not saying it makes the crappiness of RNG okay.  Just saying there's an alternative.

This was such a well stated response, you really know what youre talking about and I just had to say something, extremely well put