I have never found any logic to these optimization rates for manos accessories..

I had already made suggestions on the old forum.

especially since at the time it only cost 50b....

they resolved the concern of the price but not the enhancement 

Ok it's red accessories and not yellow but does that really matter today?

And u need PEN deboreka for what? pvp? did u see what they made with karma? they only kill the pvp .. 

And yes, you need pen manos accessory to reach the 2k cap on certain lifeskills and not be dependent on using mastery crystals and instead use EXP crystals. Also you can combine weight with mastery for greater convenience than normal if you don't know.

Yep, pve and pvp. Both aspects are much more sensitive to mix-maxing, the endgame spots make you feel even a tiny difference in grinding speed, above all if you can skip an Iframe mechanics (hello Yzrahid!), and pvp... The more, the better, everything can change if you can kill slightly faster or survive 1 second longer. 

You don't have such drastic changes in lifeskill once you reach a certain threshold. 

Exp gain and convenience. You said it. In pvp and pve, your crystal set is a complete part of your build and can't compensate a lacking gear. You need both. 

Soooo... I'm not surprised by their decision. 

yoooo it's not about being pvp pve or lifeskill.. it's about numbers and percentages.. I compared both just for example! For one it's a regular accessory where you have a lot of facilities fs crons more % to get the PEN and the other you have NOTHING you have 5% and pray for them do not evaporate! With this new system u spend 2x more acessories to get 100% than one regular! i question WHY?! 

And that's precisely why I did not stick to numbers and percentages, because there are other parameters. 

What other parameters? i dont understand you.

Yep, pve and pvp. Both aspects are much more sensitive to mix-maxing, the endgame spots make you feel even a tiny difference in grinding speed, above all if you can skip an Iframe mechanics (hello Yzrahid!), and pvp... The more, the better, everything can change if you can kill slightly faster or survive 1 second longer. 

You don't have such drastic changes in lifeskill once you reach a certain threshold. 

Exp gain and convenience. You said it. In pvp and pve, your crystal set is a complete part of your build and can't compensate a lacking gear. You need both. 

Soooo... I'm not surprised by their decision. 

If you're talking about this... So read the title again and the content of my first comment before you come here to talk about other parameters, you want to discuss pvp vs pve vs lifeskill there must be many other topics where you can debate your points. You don't agree, that's okay. You click on "I don't agree". Just leave your opinion on this. That's a non-discussion. Because enhancing everything has to do only with numbers, luck, bad luck, percentages, probabilities etc... not with playing styles.

His point is we don't need pen manos acc at all. We can easily hit 2k in everything that matters. Once you hit guru 50 it's over too so until they raise guru or mastery caps it don't even matter. idk why they chose the diff system for manos. Now as a grinder or pvp you need pen bs or debo even to compete vs other or access other grindspots or grind better in those spots. 

Show me your guru 50 in gathering, training and sailing. I can bet that the only guru 50 you have is cooking and processing and only because you have been playing (oh sorry, not playing but afk) since 2016. Someone who started in eg. 2020 doesn't have even half of that.