I never said that it is only the database itself, but it constitutes the majority of the whole and it is the greatest load on the server.

More importantly, I don't make up fairy tales about BDO using 112GB and 480GB like you do.

You do know the game files are leaked right... From the corsair version. Start thinking about how i would actually know.

They are available an people already know the ins an outs , i know the hardware requirements. Unlike you who makes up bs  i also know alot about what is sent an what is not. As for you . You wouldnt have a single clue.

You do not have the information about why PA is making owpvp so miserable in BDO, yet it doesn't prevent you from pretending to be smart.

Didn't you just make the reason whatever you felt it could be?

There have been many, many changes in BDO, yet you focus on owpvp.

Still, I'd like to point something : there were many changes related to owpvp and even to basic interactions between players along the years, and not only recently like you mentioned. Yet apparently, the population never dramatically increased thanks to that?

So the question is : are they doing it because they have solid proof that it works, or are they just "stubborn" and don't want to go back on their initial bad choice ?

I mean, by the time the proof is here now : some mainstream players don't want to be able to grind without owpvp disturbances, no no no... They want to grind alone on their spot without anyone in sight. Even "hello! " seem too much for them as they don't answer. 

So the question is : is this the audience PA is aiming at? In that case, you should be as worried as us. 

Everyone has the information. With the owpvp changes PA were transparent and explained exactly why they were implemented. 

I'm only talking about owpvp because......the thread is about owpvp. Even the title is "What is the goal of open world pvp in 2024?"

Without explicit information from PA on why BDO population has dropped, then any claims you or others make are speculative.

Of course they have the data. We do not. So the changes likely reflect a business move to increase profitability. 

They can't fix western cultural behavior issues. It seems to me though, that the vocal minority who are against the changes are the same group of people that only experience players grinding over them on a spot. And the same group of people who refuse to change channel, use marni realm or any other logical option available. And the same group of people who believe in karma bombing, i.e that someone made them hit the force pvp button and go red because they had no other choice. It seems to me that they are all linked.

1) They explained some reasons with the usual PR type of sentences. They didn't say owpvp was hurting their financial results.

2) it didn't prevent you to blame owpvp as the biggest offender, when there are other changes. Nobody forced you to do that, not even the topic itself.

3) "Without explicit information from PA on why BDO population has dropped, then any claims you or others make are speculative." - > me, others, and you. Never forget it.

4) a business move which didn't work up until now. At one point, it becomes stubborness, as I said.

5) Deep inside, it's above all a problem for those who were looking for a precise type of game, carefully chose their game, participated in its renown with their small presence, and then got thrown under the bus because the game decided to change their targeted audience.

So, yep, maybe you feel entitled because you're part of the new targeted audience, but keep in mind you do not have any right to blame us. Even devs can't blame us for that, because we merely chose the game for what it proposed back then. We were looking for a game with this kind of owpvp, we chose BDO, we expected like-minded players but devs chose to cater to the mainstream audience.

Not our fault. Got it now, Snowie? 

Those words are so right. And were repeated many times by many players. Yet some people just cant understand it.

They explained it in the patch notes and for guild war dec removal they had an entire article explaining why.

I never said that owpvp was the biggest offender. What I DID say was: "This shows a few things imo. The biggest being that very vocal players who liked the old open world pvp system brought in very little money to them."

I like how you read one word and then created a whole fictional sentence that I said. Quite amazing. 

Nope, I never mentioned about BDO population drops. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. What I did say is "The financial spread sheets are irrelevant because it doesn't show the details on WHY profits dipped."

Thats cool, I can understand. Remember mmorpgs change over time, so its unlikely that it will entirely resemble how it first started. Its just how it goes with the genre. Guild Wars 1 started as a pvp game with pve as a side thing. By the end of the games life cycle it was for the most part a pve game. 

Me the new target audience? No, I don't think so. I dislike running in circles for an hour in pve, I believe its tedious. And I dislike the fact that they do not allow players meaningful progression with lifeskills and pvp compared to the progression they reward players for pveing. The only reason why you would even suggest that is because I'm not in agreement with your perspective on the recent owpvp changes.

Its unfortunate, but yes if you consider yourself among the players that do support toxic behavior in ow pvp then PA does blame you. Both the guild war dec changes and recent karma changes present the same reoccurring theme: bullying and toxic behavior that prevents other adventurers from enjoying the game. They specifically say this themselves. And don't forget they recently changed it so that players who are feed to mobs as well. That says a lot about what their data was showing them about their (likely western) player base. 

Now you are getting it. 

But thats exactly the problem. There is no way you could know how many money they brought. Ofc there is no info to us how the changes affected the game. Exept one thing- it did not bring more players on steam. Something that every PvP hater clamed for those years.

Non of the players posted here support the toxic behavior. Exept one or two person. Nothing compared to many who just love PvPvE. Also its kinda hypocrite to never mention PvE toxic players. And they are not a few. And you forgot that we already said that the new changes didnt kill toxic behavior, they made PvP and spot defending almost imposible. But PKers still PK lifeskillers. And probably soon we wil see removing of alt+c.
Yes we can blame toxic PKing, but so many people suffered for very few, just becase those few are very vocal. Let me remind you that most of those vocal people admited at one or another point that PKing is very very rare. Exceptions are very very little.