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What is the goal of open world pvp in 2024?
17. Apr 2024, 01:38 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 27. Apr 2024, 01:41 (UTC)
# 171
On: Apr 26, 2024, 22:19 (UTC), Written by Graugus

While I do agree with your post, you have to realize that PvP is based around making other players your content. I'm very surprised that I see people still bot accepting or recovering from the changes that were pushed based on KR's input ( Again they don't give a shit about NA or EU wants).

I give this game up to Q3 to see a tremendous drop off of the PvP population.

What KR input? You do realize KR thinks PA only listens to NA/EU, right? It's a myth from forum/reddit goblins that they only listen to KR because we can't make heads or tails of their nonsensical changes. KR players say they thought the same, but the other way around.

The changes weren't made based on KR's input; they were made because of the influx of Lost Ark players J wanted to desperately keep in the game, but it was hard to convince themepark MMO players to play openworld sandbox MMO like Black Desert. So he decided to gut the game, make company lose over 30% of its value, note the first ever January player drop (Winter is usually a huge spike...), and not recover any players since. And when he saw the Lost Ark players leaving (after he made p2w costume price change in the most shameless display of cashgrab), he didn't think that maybe the direction was wrong, he assumed he didn't do enough to keep those players in.


At this point, he doesn't care if everyone leaves. He just wants to bait new PvE players from other MMOs to play BDO and leave as little of PvP in the game as possible, because he thinks it'll scare them off. So now we have all the streamers dunking on BDO, saying how delusional Pearl Abyss is... which scares the new players off. New players join guilds that see those NW changes, they go on reddit, and 100% of the visible posts are wildly negative. And do you think he'll think "Maybe it isn't the right direction"? No, he'll think "They only say that because I haven't protected new players enough, they're all bullies and they're wrong" and kill PvP even further. If you're an existing player that already bought your tent, you're just irrelevant to J. He'll gut the game even more until it's a Skyrim simulator and until there are more new players joining than old ones leaving. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 27. Apr 2024, 02:11 (UTC)
# 172
On: Apr 26, 2024, 23:23 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas

No Holds Barred... PVP is content other people can become content ... Regardless of what game you play

Be it Equal Gear such as AOS or NW with Equalized gear.. IN both of these cases the class you pick will lead you to dominate and make others your content.. or in AOS the group's Consistency will decide who is content the same as the Guild league due to the current balance between the classes.

When we talk about OWPVP in most cases we refer to the players GS and how it's used then class and skill... After that it's the Guild you're in and how many players with high GS you can call on.

All of the above is Content and who is that content (WE THE PLAYERS)

Black Desert is a MMORPG, Since the beginning of this game it has and will be a PVP centric game "PERIOD"....

Is it Beautiful... for the fact the game is 10 years old since launch in Korea, 2016 for NA and in 2018 we got remastered version the game has not been updated visually in 6 years and is still up there in game quality so yah its very stunning as a MMORPG.. the Combat visuals and control style is in fact 2nd to none in the industry... but again here we go talking about PVP again...

My point is that there may be plenty of things to do in BDO... Life skill, play music, PVE .. gamble... just simply walk around.. But we are playing a MMORPG that has lost its MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER tag... Peace is 100% correct in his statement that BDO is a game of "LEAVE ME ALONE" ... I get that there is a massive open world but what makes a MMORPG attractive to those that love the genre.. interaction, some may be good some bad hell every game has toxic clowns... speed hackers... aimbot trolls.

The issue is interaction PA has worked their asses off to remove all semblance of interaction between players then try to put PVP in a Instance box and tell all the players that have been here for 8 years that we belong in a cage.. we have no more choice you have to goto this arena and that's it...

No more random fights.. no more red player trolls... No more fair fights where it took guts from a weaker guild 20-30 players to turn the tide against 13. <----- that fighting spirit was SNUFFED OUT in a single line of code that removed 1 sided dec's let alone only GM's allowed to agree.

The Random meeting between players in PVE zones that turned into a PVP fight and a GVG to become content for ALL sides got snuffed out in a line of code that allowed Marni servers to be used for 13 hours a day.. it got snuffed out when they made Elvia a separate instance creating double the amount of servers..

Look, I can go on and on... People that hate PVP got their wish...

PVP in BDO is dying and with this change in NW will finish the job... 

I warned people... I tried to tell them what was going to happen to BDO 10 months ago if PA followed through with these changes...

Everything I said has come to be...

Bottoming out of the economy in BDO...

Long term players leaving BDO.. sure the PVE simps and passive clowns that destroyed this game by getting everything they wanted have nothing to complain about.. Nothing to fight for any longer.. all the gear they want to buy, ALL the caphras on the market at almost 50% value.. all the PEN's that you had to put in effort for are within 20-40 hours of grinding..

So now you have new players replacing old players that literally don't see anyone anywhere outside of towns where you have the random 50 people fishing.. no reason to be in a guild cuz you dont need the help anymore.. no reason to spend money on anything and the cycle will continue... Only now will it be extremely rapid every change will accelerate the issue and the Death of BDO.

Once the economy within BDO making players gear almost worthless, was the beginning of the END it all started 10 months ago when they started changing systems within the game too fast. Giving free gear.. TET BS a Second pen accessory i can go on and on.. the speed at which they are bringing out new gear and new items is 10x faster trying to keep players attention.. trying to make up for PVP dying trying to keep those last few that use their wallets by offering daily free things ..  J's hammer of precision should have told you something is wrong MAKING IT FOR SALE ON THE MARKET boy you got to be dumb to not realize there is a problem .. the fix in the accessories that they said they would never touch..

As far as how long the PVP'rs will last it sure won't be Q3 after these NW changes most will start to move on.. sure there will be new players to replace us with but PA's profit margin will tank.. BDO will be a shell of itself and won't be able to hold players for more than a month at a time when you can go from nothing to 700 GS in less than 30 days.. players will find it boring with nothing to do but stand and talk..

Oh, as a player that has played this game for 10 years, I agree 100%. No argument here.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 27. Apr 2024, 07:56 (UTC)
# 173

I agree. Haven't grinded in about a year and not spent a single buck on the game anymore either because there's no reason to. Only reason we still launch the game is for a few rounds of AoS which - although it shows the dramatic unbalance in some matchups - atleast lets me utilize the games nice combat system AND play it together with friends. The main focus of me and all the people i know in this game has always been open world content WITH pvp and the only reason to gear up. no the world looks like a barren wasteland. I cant understand why people willingly choose to play a game in the MMO genre then have an "leave me alone" attitude and try to force those changes on the game. There are so many singleplayer RPGs out there to play instead. And these actually have decent pve / rpg expierence compared to BDO. Why even come here then?

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 27. Apr 2024, 21:30 (UTC)
# 174

There is no reason for owpvp in BDO anymore except for owpvp itself (and for this, we go on Arsha). PA could remove alt+C and the karma system from the game and you wouldn't see any impact on the game except that there are no more karma bombers. Maybe at this point, its better for the Game. The whole root of the old concept of risk vs reward, alliance or conflict over resources that ran through all game systems and linked PvP and PvE in the economic cycle - in short - the dynamic social core (which does not exist on  Arsha servers), has already been ripped out. There is no longer any interaction between players or game systems with the intensity of the previous sandbox design. The game no longer has a unified concept. Like most other MMORPGs, it's just an online platform for many different but separate content and separate players. It is the open world that somehow connects us in an MMORPG. Any instance content and any overly restrictive interaction opportunities devalues that. So it's not just open world PvP, open world PvE is also absolutely meaningless in BDO since there is no PvE Endgame like Raids or Dungeons like in other MMORPG´s. Open world PvP gave open world PvE a meaning and vice versa that was more than just the brief pleasure of a dopamine release.

It's not because of the toxic PvP players, nor because of the PvE/Lifeskill Cearebears. None of us are to blame for that. Open world PvP can work well, it's just that most of them failed because it wasn't well designed in the long run or they made a mistake trying to “improve” it. In BDO it probably all started with removing XP loss on PvP death. This removed an important cog from the functioning machine. Absurd power scaling, P2W and an RNG upgrade system certainly didn't do open world PvP any good either.

Albion Online shows how well and successfully open world PvP can work. The game continues to expand. They have now opened their third large server in the EU. Unfortunately, Albion is a PC / mobile cross platform game with a crappy combat system and an ugly copy paste game world.

However. There is no turning back for BDO.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 28. Apr 2024, 00:05 (UTC)
# 175
On: Apr 27, 2024, 20:49 (UTC), Written by Sophisticusx

There is no reason for owpvp in BDO anymore except for owpvp itself (and for this, we go on Arsha). PA could remove alt+C and the karma system from the game and you wouldn't see any impact on the game except that there are no more karma bombers. Maybe at this point, its better for the Game. The whole root of the old concept of risk vs reward, alliance or conflict over resources that ran through all game systems and linked PvP and PvE in the economic cycle - in short - the dynamic social core (which does not exist on  Arsha servers), has already been ripped out. There is no longer any interaction between players or game systems with the intensity of the previous sandbox design. The game no longer has a unified concept. Like most other MMORPGs, it's just an online platform for many different but separate content and separate players. It is the open world that somehow connects us in an MMORPG. Any instance content and any overly restrictive interaction opportunities devalues that. So it's not just open world PvP, open world PvE is also absolutely meaningless in BDO since there is no PvE Endgame like Raids or Dungeons like in other MMORPG´s. Open world PvP gave open world PvE a meaning and vice versa that was more than just the brief pleasure of a dopamine release.

It's not because of the toxic PvP players, nor because of the PvE/Lifeskill Cearebears. None of us are to blame for that. Open world PvP can work well, it's just that most of them failed because it wasn't well designed in the long run or they made a mistake trying to “improve” it. In BDO it probably all started with removing XP loss on PvP death. This removed an important cog from the functioning machine. Absurd power scaling, P2W and an RNG upgrade system certainly didn't do open world PvP any good either.

Albion Online shows how well and successfully open world PvP can work. The game continues to expand. They have now opened their third large server in the EU. Unfortunately, Albion is a PC / mobile cross platform game with a crappy combat system and an ugly copy paste game world.

However. There is no turning back for BDO.

Honestly, PvP started going to shit when they added awakening and AP/DP bonuses. When BDO first came out I was PvPing all the time against and with various guilds. 

It use to be I could not wait to log in with friends to go fight but then, that shifted a lot as they started adding broken classes ( It started with DK and i-frames)  then the Zerker CC changes, absurd AP bonuses versus DP bonuses, and then all the perpetual release of broken new classes ( Stryker, Mystic,etc, etc).

 Don't know, it seems like they constantly make mistakes in order to fix them.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 28. Apr 2024, 07:20 (UTC)
# 176
On: Apr 17, 2024, 12:50 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone

Your both are very far. how dare to propose such things..there will be still effort..A new player should get on making acount with char with max gear and all items at max enc level. Also should be unkilabe, because imagine if some monster kills him... How can you be so cruel to new players...

They just going say they got fed 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 28. Apr 2024, 12:33 (UTC)
# 177

Keep calm and run in circles, best mmo out there🤣

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 28. Apr 2024, 13:54 (UTC)
# 178

Logged in once in two months now and J keeps on going with this garbage. Revert J Revert. No rest for the wicked is fun though. C ya bdo is dead.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 28. Apr 2024, 19:29 (UTC)
# 179
On: Apr 28, 2024, 00:05 (UTC), Written by Graugus

Honestly, PvP started going to shit when they added awakening and AP/DP bonuses. When BDO first came out I was PvPing all the time against and with various guilds. 

It use to be I could not wait to log in with friends to go fight but then, that shifted a lot as they started adding broken classes ( It started with DK and i-frames)  then the Zerker CC changes, absurd AP bonuses versus DP bonuses, and then all the perpetual release of broken new classes ( Stryker, Mystic,etc, etc).

 Don't know, it seems like they constantly make mistakes in order to fix them.

Because they have no ideea how to make it work properly, its a mess created and cannot be fixed as alot of players who play broken class will complain hard and stop paying money.

Damage scales too much and instakill rather then fight for longer time and enjoy the battle. PVP Penalty was requested by many players because others comes and let you with little hp and get killed by mobs and broke expensive crystals cause problem was raised because of this shit crystal break system while others don't give a f about this. So here we are with high penalty because of some people who were more abussive then needed.

Imo I don't enjoy pvp system here, its unballanced, rather you have end game gear and very few will be able to touch you or you just play dead most of pvp time.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 28. Apr 2024, 20:44 (UTC)
# 180
On: Apr 28, 2024, 00:05 (UTC), Written by Graugus

Honestly, PvP started going to shit when they added awakening and AP/DP bonuses. When BDO first came out I was PvPing all the time against and with various guilds. 

It use to be I could not wait to log in with friends to go fight but then, that shifted a lot as they started adding broken classes ( It started with DK and i-frames)  then the Zerker CC changes, absurd AP bonuses versus DP bonuses, and then all the perpetual release of broken new classes ( Stryker, Mystic,etc, etc).

 Don't know, it seems like they constantly make mistakes in order to fix them.

Well here's something fun to think about: Image how fast you will get yeeted at 400dp when the new blackstar weapon upgrades comes out. 



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