LOL, imagine wasting so much time on a game that revolves around gearing for PvP when no one takes unevenly geared fights seriously and the combat is just about rotating protected skills until you randomly get a catch or grab. No esports or FGC support. You lit your life on fire. Inb4 cope.

PVP wasn't removed from the game.  Nor was the value of progession due to PVP.  In fact there is MORE PVP in BDO today than ever.  More avenues to PVP.  Additional PVP servers.  A true hidden name open PVP server.

The only thing that was removed was the harassment and griefing.  Anyone who wants actual PVP has 24/7 access on multiple PVP servers.

The "decline" was just the dishonest players "claiming they want PVP", but really their interest was mob feeding ;)

git gud, this coming from what people tell me as a witch when they 1v1 me 

Boy thank god you are here to save the day... i thought for sure i was just seeing things and my mind was playing tricks on me... I AM gonna let all my boyz know they were wrong just ask Steve Harvey here ... There is MORE PVP than EVER....

yup....

HMMMMM.... yah its bangin....

WOW man look at all that PVP.........

BOY JUST STOP.........

JAE IS NOT GONNA GIVE YOU FREE PEARLS.......

Copeum is one thing... you are straight delusional.

We're few thousand players down just in steam charts, and that is while we got both long awaited berserk collab and "biggest" update in months. We can assume trend is simar on launcher, too, because demographic playing both is similar.

So... all these were "dishonest" PvPers leaving? Well, that's really bad news for J because it looks like there were actually more than 10 players doing PvP. Thank you for analysis, tho. 🫠

PVP didn't got removed yeah and you are infact right, there are more ways infact better ways to do pvp, the money you make pvp got increased, you can progress atleast a bit through pvp. So yeah pvp is infinitly better than what it was before.

However pvp lost it's key element, which was drama decs. I hate the guild called THEBAALCOX, i will hunt them across the servers I will find them I will kill them which would spark open world pvp and would lead to the shit talk from one to another which is one of the best part of the pvp in anygame, ego checking.

Now you will tell me but Mr cj. THEBAALCOX is a peaceful lifeskill guild you shouldn't bully them. I would say you are right. I shouldn't be able to bully them, but in reality removing one sided decs. just so I can't bully THEBAALCOX is so so so lazy way to do it, you can't really tell me they don't have any other way to make a system that protects them. In reality I don't really interact THEBAALCOX players almost never the playerbase I interact 99% of the times is pvp guilds. They ruined thousands of players game just make 1 player's game better. 

Here is a 5 minutes thought process 

Based on the activities of the members, guilds will be tagged 

PVP 

Pve 

Lifeskill 

Guilds with pvp tag will be decced indefinitely

Guilds with pve tag will be decced only for 1 hour(to kill grifiers) 

Guilds with lifeskill tag cannot be decced, they can not declare wars either. 

So you telling me they didn't think of this? A system I came up with 5 minutes. 

Now that's a copium if I have ever seen one.