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#Suggestions
Buff Raz'nal's Drops
May 12, 2023, 01:28 (UTC)
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Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 01:28 (UTC)
# 1

Crypt of Resting Thoughts is the hardest zone in the game, Raz'nal is the boss spawn for the hardest zone in the game. Yet her drops are underwhelming given the challenge and time it takes to kill her, on top of the fact that she isn't a common spawn.

Additionally, as far as I know she can't even drop the ring piece.

I suggest the ring piece gets added to her drop table at a higher drop rate than the DK and Mage

I also suggest Debo belt should be a very high drop chance from her, maybe even 50% drop chance.

That is all, thank you.

Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 07:53 (UTC)
# 2

Isn't she drops like 100m worth of stuff already tho?

Also if you struggle to kill it just ignore the bigger hp mobs, that's more efficient for debos, and you should not fight those for the ring price in the first place.

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Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 17:34 (UTC)
# 3
On: May 12, 2023, 07:53 (UTC), Written by CatDK

Isn't she drops like 100m worth of stuff already tho?

Also if you struggle to kill it just ignore the bigger hp mobs, that's more efficient for debos, and you should not fight those for the ring price in the first place.

The issue is that she's just a nuisance because she isn't guaranteed to drop anything worthwhile, and if you just focus on the adds instead of her you have to be wary of that fact that she could 1 tap you out of nowhere. The extra money she drops doesn't mean much because you're there for a belt, lung or ring anyway. 

Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 17:45 (UTC)
# 4
On: May 12, 2023, 01:28 (UTC), Written by Aogiri

Crypt of Resting Thoughts is the hardest zone in the game, Raz'nal is the boss spawn for the hardest zone in the game. Yet her drops are underwhelming given the challenge and time it takes to kill her, on top of the fact that she isn't a common spawn.

Additionally, as far as I know she can't even drop the ring piece.

I suggest the ring piece gets added to her drop table at a higher drop rate than the DK and Mage

I also suggest Debo belt should be a very high drop chance from her, maybe even 50% drop chance.

That is all, thank you.

Meh....

Raznal isn't that difficult for it to justify a need to change her drops. She already has a decent loot table and is designed to be more of a 'bonus' to the existing grind.

She's not a nuisance to most vet crypt grinders. Her attacks are very scripted, just like the DK, so getting tapped by her really is just a skill issue. 

Some folks would disagree that people are just there for belt/lung/ring. Belts already drop every 2-3 hours with a proper clear speed, and some folks are now pulling one per 1-2 hours. The spot doesn't need to change just because more people are trying to grind there and want to see more value. 

Having an increased drop rate chance on belt would be a bit busted. Some of the folks who already grind out tets for profit are already pulling insane money lol.

We say crypt is the hardest grind zone in game and mostly anyone who starts to grind there will say its a joke. It doesn't require hardcap gear like it used to or pose a challenge for a handful of classes. 

Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 18:30 (UTC)
# 5
On: May 12, 2023, 17:34 (UTC), Written by BallzDeep69

The issue is that she's just a nuisance because she isn't guaranteed to drop anything worthwhile, and if you just focus on the adds instead of her you have to be wary of that fact that she could 1 tap you out of nowhere. The extra money she drops doesn't mean much because you're there for a belt, lung or ring anyway. 

You can completely ignore her and most other big mobs on certain spots if you lack of the gear to kill them with packs. Yeah if you need extra effort for those, then you should not waste your time on the bosses but skip them.

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Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 18:47 (UTC)
# 6

I completely disagree.

Raz'nal is ~100m extra for each spawn and can be killed while clearing the rotation. On my 3rd or 4th lap, she' dead while casually grinding the spot. At the current point in game crypt is not even close to being hard if you got the right gear for it. I even grind there and completly forgot that I didn't pick up my hp potion or leveling up my health on the character. Besides that, if you enhance the belts it's the best money spot in-game right now. So buffing it even more? Hell no. Maybe decrease the loot from her and make her more frequent to keep low geared people from this spot.

Last Edit : May 13, 2023, 02:26 (UTC)
# 7
On: May 12, 2023, 18:47 (UTC), Written by Galiron

I completely disagree.

Raz'nal is ~100m extra for each spawn and can be killed while clearing the rotation. On my 3rd or 4th lap, she' dead while casually grinding the spot. At the current point in game crypt is not even close to being hard if you got the right gear for it. I even grind there and completly forgot that I didn't pick up my hp potion or leveling up my health on the character. Besides that, if you enhance the belts it's the best money spot in-game right now. So buffing it even more? Hell no. Maybe decrease the loot from her and make her more frequent to keep low geared people from this spot.


"I'm class carried"

Anyways, I kill her while doing roto too. My thought process is that it I just simply think the big bad scary mob zone of the game should net you a little more silver than it does. And saying it's the best money spot in the game is just not true in the slightest because that relies on rng drops and then rng taps on top of that. I don't think I need to tell you how much guaranteed silver you can get at other spots in the game rn

Last Edit : May 13, 2023, 02:26 (UTC)
# 8
On: May 12, 2023, 17:45 (UTC), Written by Mirra

Meh....

Raznal isn't that difficult for it to justify a need to change her drops. She already has a decent loot table and is designed to be more of a 'bonus' to the existing grind.

She's not a nuisance to most vet crypt grinders. Her attacks are very scripted, just like the DK, so getting tapped by her really is just a skill issue. 

Some folks would disagree that people are just there for belt/lung/ring. Belts already drop every 2-3 hours with a proper clear speed, and some folks are now pulling one per 1-2 hours. The spot doesn't need to change just because more people are trying to grind there and want to see more value. 

Having an increased drop rate chance on belt would be a bit busted. Some of the folks who already grind out tets for profit are already pulling insane money lol.

We say crypt is the hardest grind zone in game and mostly anyone who starts to grind there will say its a joke. It doesn't require hardcap gear like it used to or pose a challenge for a handful of classes. 

"We say crypt is the hardest grind zone in game and mostly anyone who starts to grind there will say its a joke. It doesn't require hardcap gear like it used to or pose a challenge for a handful of classes. "

This is just blatantly wrong. Obviously it's way more grindable than it used to be, but to say it's a joke and that it doesn't pose a challange is just not true.  The spot does require high gear and higher skill than most zones.

Keep in mind I haven't died at Crypt in forever, and I grind at night. I also have no problem clearing while dealing w/ Raznal. Then again I'm Shai so my survivabiltiy is pretty nice.

Anyways at the end of the day I don't like the answer it's super good silver because a handful of players that can clear the zone faster than others tap debo's to tet and sell them. Because at the end of the day their income is solely dependant on the rng belt drops and the rng taps to tet or whatever.

But I can understand your disagreement on thinking increasing the belt drop rate would be busted. I still think her drops are underwhelming for being the big bad scary boss of the most challenging zone in the game. And keep in mind when I say most challenging I don't mean insanely difficult, it's impossible, etc. I just mean in comparison to other zones.

I just think the place should give a little more silver, I'm not asking for 1B/hr. I don't care if it's a treasure and debo zone.

Last Edit : May 14, 2023, 01:11 (UTC)
# 9

Ok, look.
Just to put it in perspective I can tell you my garmoth average from the past month:

6440 trash -> ~245m (blue scroll)
148 armor stones -> 18.5m (pre tax)
152 weapon stones -> 19.6m (pre tax)
56 caphras stones -> 168m (pre tax)
72 ancient sprit dust -> ~35m (pre tax after converting to caphras)
18 venomous fangs -> theoretical value of 100m / 5 fangs (30 caphras + side loot) => 17m per fang (post tax). However I don't value them
0.67 Ah'krad ->35m (pre tax)
0.33 Gazes -> value them however u upgrade them or value them
0.11 Debo belts (raw drop) -> see above
5.9 black leafs -> no value
5.3 red leafs -> no value
1 artifact -> ~16m (pre tax)

0.67 raz'nal per hour

In total, not accounting the belt value that's ~480m per hour without valuing belts or fangs.
In fact. I make so much money there that I don't even run the fangs anymore. They just pile up. I would sell them if I could. Because they are "just" 1.8b/h

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