They're good not because they can't be grabbed lol, but because they can't be CC'd. Same reason Ninjas and several other classes practice protected movement, is to avoid ranged CC and/or unsuspected CC. It's why classes like sorc can 1vX due to the iframe allowing minimal damage to be taken, not because she's harder to grab. Yes that may be a small part of it, but only a fool trys to grab a sorc in range of grj. From what you're suggesting,  armies should drop their rifles in favor of grabbing people. Ranged protected cc's that can be instacast keeping you out of damage range will ALWAYS be favorable in ANY match up. Anyone gets close, you have a 7 sec double tp that's literally the same range but half the cd time from Awa Mystic and Awa Hash lol.

Let's, misleadingly, assume grapples are meta as you suggest. Then why, according to PA'S numbers, showing player makeup indicates a vast gap between Grab and Grabless classes...Grabless being the majority?

Ah so you want to use Heidel ball numbers as proof grapples are not op because grapple classes are not at the top...okay,okay that cool.

Wizard is like 5th on the list so that means 4 other classes are more played meaning they are more powerful.So let's see how now you make the chart irrelevant since it doesn't suit your narrative in this scenario.

It's just hard to complain about 1 big elephant in the room and ignore the other big elephant in the room right beside it...unless of course you are that other elephant...

Anyone who is arguing that grapples aren't OP is crazy. Grapple is just a lazy mechanic and it's made even worse by classes that can sit in Q block and then insta TP grab you, *cough* Warrior *cough*. Thing is, I feel people bring up this topic to take the light off Succ Wizard being OP. Succ Wizard should be nerfed just like I think grabs should be nerfed.

Well the topic on grabs always get brought up at succ wiz nerfs because succ wiz and even succ witch little less is the first chance in years to be able to play without being grab trash or large scale PA bots.

I play awaken wiz it's an about mid tier in large scale now with the nerf to PA which is fine but why make us grab trash in 1v1 and small scale then if we're not even good in large scale.

I fight succ wiz's all the time in RBF and I know their overpowered...even more so to me because they have what we do only way better and more without the need to transition.I hate fighting them because their second to make them always one step ahead of me and they attack so fast they always win by ccing me in between skills.

But as op as they are to fight it isn't any worse than grab classes than just pretty much tp to you while protected and and grab you without any risk with protected grabs

Their is so much protection on all classes now cc's are nearly useless especially with all the classes who can turtle around in block...and the more useless cc's are the more powerful grab is.

Thing is that you can nerf succ Wiz whilst also not making them turrets like the awakened casters. I think a good nerf that isn't that crazy would be to make it so TP doesn't let you insta cast attacks. Another nerf that I think wouldn't be too crazy would be to either make the CD on Meteor longer or remove the KD. I don't want the class gutted because I actually think the succ caster classes fit BDO a lot better than the awakened versions, it's just that I think at least succ Wizard needs to be bonked on the head a little.

Maybe it would be more fair to make wizards able to choose between :

- being a turet and one shot (better for large scale)

Or 

- having a lot of mobility and have significantly decreased damage (better for small scale)

Because it's true that to give more damage and more mobility at the same time makes it a bit unbalanced :) On top of that, we are able to switch from awakening to succession every hour... So the choice between one or the other isn't hard to make

The #1 I see that needs to go with caster is it multiple brain dead required to use CCs. All you have to do to use caster CCs is TP next to your target and spam massive 360 degree fully protected CCs that can also delete people in 1-2 hits. These skills need to have their protection removed or CCs removed. They shouldn't be that brain dead to use it literally similar to EVE online gameplay when the Meta was to wrap titans in and have them spam Dooms days ever day 24/7 until all the enemies were died or ran away. Something so strong shouldn't be so brain dead to use and have little to no downside to it being spammed. Some classes only have 1 protected CC, others only have 2 reliable protected skills in their entire kit, but caster not only has the stronges SA rotation that makes CCing them impossible without grabs but also the most protected CCs in the game and half of them require the average IQ of -100 to use cause there just brain dead no aim kill shit buttons with what they can do.

Nearly every video I've seen of a caster is at one point them TPing into a wall fucking up their carma so they can't see anything but still killing 4-10 people by spamming these brain dead required skills. If any other class pinned them selves next to a wall were their carma was zoomed all the way in so they could only see their character's ass they would insteadly need to reposition themselves or they'd die, but caster can do this and just keep spamming skills without care of what actually around them an still kill multiple people with easy.

They can keep their utility, their dmg, their movement but these brain dead OP CCs need a nerf I bet the sec half of these skills either stop being protected or lose their CCs that caster will instantly no longer be the #1 played class in 90% of BDO's PVP.

"we don't need to nerf classes, only buff others"

The person/people at shit aby$$ who thought this would be a good idea deserves to be slapped in the face.

ofc succ wiz needs to be nerfed and anyone who thinks otherwise also deserves a good slap in the face.

Idiot(s).

Thing that doesn't even make sense as well with the devs statement that is "We won't nerf succ caster, but will buff all other classes to be as strong as succ caster." Ya as of right now that statement was PR BS cause it been 6 or 7 months since they made that statement but they haven't actually buffed any class in the game for 12 months now (at-least with intelligent buffs that make sense that is.) Musa/Maehaw are still a meme class in all forms of content (literally haven't seen 1 in 8 months now outside of BA an even than there rare to see in BA), Dark Knight still a class in the game I hear but you wouldn't know it cause it also completely dogshit at everything in the game an rarely played, kuno still just a shitty version of a ninja thus why play a gimped ninja when you can just play ninja?, lahn are also non existent in the game cause how trash they are, mystic well just the shitty version of striker so why not just play striker?

Seriously now 21 classes in the whole game only 3 of them are worth playing the rest are all dogshit. PA promised they would at-least buff classes if they weren't going to nerf the OP ones but were are the buffs? All I see is mass spamming 4 new classes a year that just make more classes useless an making the game less balanced. Honestly if PA doesn't address PVP issues this year I can't see this game lasting much longer. Crimson Desert coming out sometime this year offering 1000x better PVE content that also similar to BDO so there goes the game's PVE community an with how piss poor the state of PVP is in BDO PVP players that been playing this game for years have been leaving in swarms. I've been in 8 of the biggest PVP guilds last year for NA cure, wartorn, succubus, ingenium, blackhole and all of them are now dead guilds cause their players are tired of the piss poor balance in this game right now.