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Give us a Free Market (end the communist system)
Feb 27, 2021, 20:20 (UTC)
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Mar 8, 2021, 19:44 (UTC)
# 31
On: Feb 27, 2021, 22:27 (UTC), Written by haranyan
i mean i'm not saying we really need anything as extremem as people just choosing any price they want but some items are just selling for so far below their true value that they just never get sold and so they will never raise in price to a point where they reach a reasonable sell value, all it would take is raising the max sell price of some items that are like that.
if the economy is going to be restricted the way it is, it can't just be left like this it needs someone actively managing it so that there isn't holes in the market where people can't buy items they want
"i mean i'm not saying we really need anything as extremem"
end the communist system!!!
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Mar 9, 2021, 04:30 (UTC)
# 32
The max price of crafted items needs to be adjusted, also the max price of components needs to be adjusted. The 2 should be linked. If there are 300,000 pre orders on an item (milk for example) the max price needs to go up.
The max price of any crafted item needs to be the max price of all it's components + 25% so there is an incentive to actually craft the items.
Lets look at Eggs for example, always sold out, same thing with egg crafted products, but it costs more to make the egg crafted products than you can sell them for on the CM, Eggs and item that you can can craft from eggs say Boiled Bird Egg. If the max price of eggs were to raise, and the price of boiled bird egg stays the same, it becomes even more of a loss to make them. The max price of boiled bird egg needs to be raised on the CM, which also means that the max price Serendia Meal would need raising.
No where in any functioning economy would anyone make anything when the components to make said item cost more to them than they can sell the finished product for.
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Mar 9, 2021, 08:38 (UTC)
# 33
On: Feb 27, 2021, 20:20 (UTC), Written by haranyan
none of this communist system i'm sick of it, too many items have their max sell price at such a low value that they aren't worth the time to craft. TOO LONG have i wanted the serrendian smith garb only for it's max sell value to be lower than the actual crafting cost. TOO LONG HAS THE SELL VALUE OF THE CALPHEON ROWBOAT BEEN SO LOW THAT IN THE WHOLE 5 YEARS LIFE OF THE GAME NOT A SINGLE ONE HAS EVER BEEN SOLD.
REMOVE THE MAX BUY AND SELL PRICE FOR ITEMS ON THE MARKET AND LET US BUY AND SELL FOR THE VALUES THAT WE THINK IS FAIR AND NOT WHAT YOU CHOOSE IS FAIR FOR US!
sure it's nice to have the prices on items so low so new players can buy stuff easy BUT WAS IT WORTH HAVING A HUGE NUMBER OF ALL ITEMS INGAME BE UNSELLABLE BECAUSE IT'S VALUE IS HIGHER THAN WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO SELL IT FOR.
no, no it was not, i was hoping pearl abyss taking over the game would end this joke of a marketplace, a market that gives the illusion of us having control.
too long have we had to pay TOO MUCH for cheap items, TOO LONG have valuble items been valued by the market so low as to be unsellable
the fact that there is a demand for items in the marketplace and no supply MEANS THAT THE COMMUNIST SYSTEM INPLACE HAS FAILED.
You summed up alchemy pretty much. There is one or two eleixirs worth selling but you can profit more by afk fishing or processing. And most of the elixirs are not even worth selling to imperial delivery. There is tons of flaws in marketplace and prices overall . Whats ridiculous is that lot of consumables have almost same price for 4-5 years.
This is the reason why people need to find "gaps" and "holes" in marketplace to make profit. There is lot of people who made fortune just by reading korean patch notes 1 minute after they were posted.
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Mar 9, 2021, 11:23 (UTC)
# 34
On: Feb 27, 2021, 22:27 (UTC), Written by haranyan
i mean i'm not saying we really need anything as extremem as people just choosing any price they want but some items are just selling for so far below their true value that they just never get sold and so they will never raise in price to a point where they reach a reasonable sell value, all it would take is raising the max sell price of some items that are like that.
if the economy is going to be restricted the way it is, it can't just be left like this it needs someone actively managing it so that there isn't holes in the market where people can't buy items they want
Except that is exactly what you were saying in the original post.
Perhaps leave out the riddiculous rhetoric next time and say what you mean directly.
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Mar 9, 2021, 11:27 (UTC)
# 35
On: Mar 1, 2021, 03:44 (UTC), Written by haranyan
what you describe here:
a system in wich a higher power manipulates the max price of items in order to halt your progression
THAT is the very definition of communism
Wow you do not know anything about communism.
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Mar 9, 2021, 14:19 (UTC)
# 36
Écrit le : 9 mars 2021, 11:27 (UTC), par : Deyric
Wow you do not know anything about communism.
Wow you arrogantly implied being knowledgeable about communism yet failed at providing any backup to such a claim on top of failing at proving why haranyan is wrong.
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Mar 9, 2021, 15:32 (UTC)
# 37
You capitalist pigs not feeling the power of communism or what?
This market is the most fair you can have! Everyone can afford everything, as the pirces are guarantated to be cheap. PA protect us from the evil, money hungry people.
We all should be gratefull about it.
Hopefully our comrades soon take over at the west too, and liberate the world!!
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Mar 9, 2021, 18:13 (UTC)
# 38
On: Mar 9, 2021, 04:30 (UTC), Written by Werbs
The max price of crafted items needs to be adjusted, also the max price of components needs to be adjusted. The 2 should be linked. If there are 300,000 pre orders on an item (milk for example) the max price needs to go up.
The max price of any crafted item needs to be the max price of all it's components + 25% so there is an incentive to actually craft the items.
Lets look at Eggs for example, always sold out, same thing with egg crafted products, but it costs more to make the egg crafted products than you can sell them for on the CM, Eggs and item that you can can craft from eggs say Boiled Bird Egg. If the max price of eggs were to raise, and the price of boiled bird egg stays the same, it becomes even more of a loss to make them. The max price of boiled bird egg needs to be raised on the CM, which also means that the max price Serendia Meal would need raising.
No where in any functioning economy would anyone make anything when the components to make said item cost more to them than they can sell the finished product for.
It could use some adjusting, but it's not nearly as bad as everyone pretends. It also makes a lot more sense than you granting it credit for. You are NOT evaluating the prices properly. You are trying to say the crafted item is worth less than it's components. That can happen, but you seem to be doing it based on a false premise.
You want to establish the value of the produced product like Serendia Meal based on it's market price value and NOT on it's REAL VALUE of Imperial turn in. Things like cooking mastery will also alter the equation. Some may be at a less while others are not simply based upon their mastery. Some may not even care about the loss as their goal is to obtain CP.
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Mar 10, 2021, 01:23 (UTC)
# 39
I remember arguing about this being "communism" years ago. Market place at least got better than it was originally, but I fully support the suggestion still. Supply and Demand is real and many interventions lead to inefficiencies in game just as it does in real life. The game would be so different, if you could actually share items personally with people or have real free market activity. It would be how I actually remember MMO's. Many claim stuff like this will be problematic but in fact it will make it better overall for everyone. More items to buy and cheaper, basic supply and demand.
At this point I see the point of "combatting gold sellers" only as an excuse or a bad fix for a problem you can't solve in the first place. I bet there are still gold sellers doing other stuff to get money. You can't combat any of this really and on top of it you make game hell for everyone else. All in all, apart of many people claiming things would get sold at "exorbitant prices", which is just wrong intuition and ignorance of basic economics, everybody is actually helped if they can simply engage in voluntary market activity. More will be produced and less will be hoarded. It might even make sense to specialize, which again generates efficiency. I argued for all that years ago.
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Mar 9, 2021, 19:13 (UTC)
# 40
On: Mar 9, 2021, 18:14 (UTC), Written by Kroush
I remember arguing about this being "communism" years ago. Market place at least got better than it was originally, but I fully support the suggestion still. Supply and Demand is real and many interventions lead to inefficiencies in game just as it does in real life. The game would be so different, if you could actually share items personally with people or have real free market activity. It would be how I actually remember MMO's. Many claim stuff like this will be problematic but in fact it will make it better overall for everyone. More items to buy and cheaper, basic supply and demand.
At this point I see the point of "combatting gold sellers" only as an excuse or a bad fix for a problem you can't solve in the first place. I bet there are still gold sellers doing other stuff to get money. You can't combat any of this really and on top of it you make game hell for everyone else. All in all, apart of many people claiming things would get sold at "exorbitant prices", which is just wrong intuition and ignorance of basic economics, everybody is actually helped if they can simply engage in voluntary market activity. More will be produced and less will be hoarded. It might even make sense to specialize, which again generates efficiency. I argued for all that years ago.
P.s: Why shouldn't I be allowed to pay someone 50 bucks to get me some gear I want? Maybe I have not as much time to waste away on grinding because of my job and that guy has no other way to feed himself during lockdown. Other than crying foul from the left, there is nothing wrong with this.
Yeah, there are still goldsellers so it ain't helped shit, but at least the players can't buy anything, as the market looks like in any good communist state, empty, as it should be.
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