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why isnt every class good @ pve?
Jul 16, 2021, 11:50 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jul 16, 2021, 11:50 (UTC)
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this makes no sense if pvp is "end game" why not just make it so all classes are good at pve to take you there much easier why are some classes in pve such dog water left over water tier? in pve why cant all classes have good AOE good damage and sustain, grinding is a big part of this game cant everyone be "succ lahn level"?

Last Edit : Jul 16, 2021, 11:59 (UTC)
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Cause that would require actually care and development of the game.

Which is too much effort.

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Last Edit : Jul 16, 2021, 14:08 (UTC)
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Because class balance will NEVER be an actual thing unless you cookie cutter every class...which is a BAD thing.  But yes, the variance they have now is bad...but class balance is a hard thing to do...doubly so in a game that has both solo and group content.  

Last Edit : Jul 16, 2021, 14:55 (UTC)
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On: Jul 16, 2021, 14:08 (UTC), Written by ColdNapalm

Because class balance will NEVER be an actual thing unless you cookie cutter every class...which is a BAD thing.  But yes, the variance they have now is bad...but class balance is a hard thing to do...doubly so in a game that has both solo and group content.  

Really hard yes, it's not like they could literately log how much trash ppl makes on given gear and class, and just pump up the underpreforming one's damage by 5% on avg every week's maintance untill all end up in a range of +-10% trash, yeah, too hard, they probably need 3+ phd to do that, but more importanlty competent devs, not the leftover to do it.

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Last Edit : Jul 16, 2021, 15:00 (UTC)
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On: Jul 16, 2021, 14:08 (UTC), Written by ColdNapalm

Because class balance will NEVER be an actual thing unless you cookie cutter every class...which is a BAD thing.  But yes, the variance they have now is bad...but class balance is a hard thing to do...doubly so in a game that has both solo and group content.  

Class balance isn't hard in this game, PA is just incompetent nothing more. You have classes like Guardian who are tanky, hit like trucks, and regen both MP and HP per skill, than you have rangers with zero good AOEs, zero damage, zero sustain, and zero reason to exist. And your BS "group content hard balance" is just that BS. Other games with far more depth have easily managed to balance their classes and prevent extremely OP classes and keep all classes perfectly relevant. 

 

But hey we can't expect some who's only time in BDO is spent afk fishing 24/7 to understand just how broken class balance is in this game.

 

P.S your account 3 years old when are you going to hit 650 GS? You claim it ppossible to get 650 gs in 6 months of playing the game, yet your 3 year old account is just barely at 600 GS.

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Last Edit : Jul 16, 2021, 15:09 (UTC)
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On: Jul 16, 2021, 11:50 (UTC), Written by BlueLazer

this makes no sense if pvp is "end game" why not just make it so all classes are good at pve to take you there much easier why are some classes in pve such dog water left over water tier? in pve why cant all classes have good AOE good damage and sustain, grinding is a big part of this game cant everyone be "succ lahn level"?

Au Contraire, everyone can be a flying rat.. I mean lahn. That's why they made the silver sink, I mean "Tagging" a thing.
Unless you influence a big portion of the player base(Morrolan complains about stats being hidden.. magically, next week, stats are going to be implemented....) or you're presenting something that's going to make them money, they give ZERO F's about your feedback or what you want in the game. This game was made for and optimized to Koreans, here in NA, you shut up and like what they give you, or leave... They already got your money...
That being said, not every player plays the same, has the same skills, runs the same skill addons, nor runs the same buffs, nor has dumped the same amount of cash in the shop, thus any type of "Balance" that you seek is a fool's errand. 

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Last Edit : Jul 16, 2021, 15:14 (UTC)
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On: Jul 16, 2021, 11:50 (UTC), Written by BlueLazer

this makes no sense if pvp is "end game" why not just make it so all classes are good at pve to take you there much easier why are some classes in pve such dog water left over water tier? in pve why cant all classes have good AOE good damage and sustain, grinding is a big part of this game cant everyone be "succ lahn level"?

The Succ lahn is great at end game grinding but needs a ton of accuracy....

 

The Succ Lahn is horrible at low-High end grindng or basicaly when her AP reaches ability to 1 shot mobs you may as well get a wheel chair or a walker out cuz she is as slow as they come.

 

Awakened Lahn is great at Low-high end grinding and is Balanced at end game.

 

Awakened Musa is SUPER fast at low-high end grind spots and Meh at end game.

 

Awakened Guardian is a monster at High end - End game grinding but absolutly sucks at low end.

 

The list can go on and on.

 

But i would like to point out that not all classes are great at everything are there S tier grinders ABSOLUTLY the misconseption is that those C tier and those at S tier are 5k junk apart and that simply is not the case.

-90% of the time those difference are Gear based NOT class based.

-Knowledge of your class with grinding and mechanics of the zone are as important as the proper gear you are using.

-Level of your Char is also important for certain area's if the mobs are purple or Red your gonna grind slower Hadum area requires you to be 63+ min to grind at max potential.

 

With the current PVE balance which i beleive is prob the closest it has ever been in 4 years most classes from C-S rank are withing 1k-1.5k junk depending on how well you play your class and if its geared correctly. A succ lahn at Orcs for instance needs a min of 370-380 accuracy to get a 100% hit rate, 330 accuracy and you will get little to no back attack damage or much damage at all. Typically most classes other than Valk, Sage, Hash need much higher Accuracy builds and or a min of Kzarka, Bhegs and a kutum if your using an evasion build your gonna need accuracy acessories to makeup the difference AND then some.

 

Are there annomolies within each community ABSOLUTY you hear them all the time like some hash geting 12k on a blue scroll no weps at Orcs, even on my main grinder currently is a Succ Lahn (mained suc valk for a long time) getting past 12k on a Adv scroll is tough and requires a perfect rotation and perfect hour not to mention multiples at 293 kut but that being said i am only about a month into a full dual main swap. I went from Succ Valk back to maining my Succ Mystic and tagged a Succ Lahn to bring up my grinding even then i am only gaining about 2k per hour max over succ valk and maybe 1.5k over mystic the only difference is that the Succ Lahn requires a much lower APM and is easy on my old over worked hands ( i am almost 50).

The major difference here is i dont have the proper gear or the PvP knowledge with her to DFS she is completely out matched by sheild classes and really unless she is above 310ap she is not threat to anyone.

 

 

Last Edit : Jul 16, 2021, 15:23 (UTC)
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On: Jul 16, 2021, 15:05 (UTC), Written by XxValakxX

Au Contraire, everyone can be a flying rat.. I mean lahn. That's why they made the silver sink, I mean "Tagging" a thing.
Unless you influence a big portion of the player base(Morrolan complains about stats being hidden.. magically, next week, stats are going to be implemented....) or you're presenting something that's going to make them money, they give ZERO F's about your feedback or what you want in the game. This game was made for and optimized to Koreans, here in NA, you shut up and like what they give you, or leave... They already got your money...
That being said, not every player plays the same, has the same skills, runs the same skill addons, nor runs the same buffs, nor has dumped the same amount of cash in the shop, thus any type of "Balance" that you seek is a fool's errand. 

Morrolan have nothing to do with that. They said it on the ball that they gonna implement it, which means that they probably working on that months before the ball.

He is (still) a nooname, and you can be 100% certain that the guys deciding on stuff in KR don't even know who is he, neither care.

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