It's sad to see that people don't comprehend that PVP MMO's are not designed around limited resources.  Lineage 2 was a prime example of this.  The game world supported a high amount of players per server and many dungeons where never full.

It's NEARLY impossible to PK players to take their spot in a PVP MMO.  They don't consist of all the broken jank that Pearl Abyss implemented and because they function properly you simply can't do that.

There is NO SUCH THING as being WHITE or positive karma AFTER pking another person.  That's one of the most broken things ever created and a reason it's so easy to exploit mob feeding.  You won't hear these "so called PVPers" telling you that.

A REAL PVP game has UNLIMITED karma.  Not this kitty island restore your karma in less than an hour.  People spend weeks months or COMMIT to being PERMA RED in REAL PVP games.

Did you notice NONE of these so called pvpers talk about this?  They are NOT PVPers.  They are kitty island players that just want easy street to harassing people.

The RISK and DANGEROUS world they pretend to want does NOT exist in BDO.  The REAL risk and excitement was being red KNOWING you would lose mass exp that you couldn't CASH SHOP fix and you could drop items.  REAL STAKES not these kitty island want to be PVPers.

Could you stop spamming every thread with your misconceptions about pure pvp in a pvpve game? Thanks in advance. 

Did you just post that nonsense in a thread titled

Please stop forcing PVP

You should try harder and be more considerate, thanks in advance. 

And? I answered to your post where you made your "pvp game" rambling and how it should work, when BDO is PvPvE and that point alone explains everything you don't want to understand...

... But I guess your attempt at evading my point failed. Better luck next time. 

The game is a PVP game, thats all that needs to be said. If you want a strictly PVE expierence then that is out there for you; But I personally am glad that they have stuck to their guns on this and not just done what WoW did or done what Guild wars 2 or several other games did. While it sometimes sucks, the requests and suggestions I've seen amount too either "Turn it off compeltely outside of PvP servers" or "Make PVE Servers so I dont need to tolerate pvp"

Y'all need to quit, you knew what this game was when you started. We all did. It didn't hide or change anything in the fine print when we started playing; I'd rather them fix real issues then cater to folks who are play again a PVP Game with that being one of the main pillars of the game and ask them to change that. 

I never like saying this, I never like when its said to me... but maybe another game would be a better fit if you dislike pvp this much? There are TONS out there with pve exclusive content and either dead or neglected pvp content. Please dont try to force BDO to do the same as its compeition.. because then at the end whats the point of grinding or gearing up? We dont have meaningful PvE, we don't have real content at the end of the road. Its either life skilling or PvP; Thats it. Grinding just serves as a stepping stone to either of those two end game goals.

----> If they had more then that, maybe I'd agree but most of the other content is strictly in service to those two ends. I mean sure guild missions, the like one dungeon (which is meh) and the story sure... but those feel like a side bennefi not a main focus within this games design. 

Didn't your own PVP fans just say PEARL ABYSS doesn't want to promote PK.  They took away exp loss on pk, removed all PVP from world bosses, increased karma amounts, removed item degrading, lowered trade items lost.

It's time for you to GIT OUT!  You DON'T belong in BDO.

Face it brah, this game isn't for YOU.  BYE!

Did you know PK literally means UNWANTED and NON CONSENTED player killing?  Of course not, that's why I'm here to EDUCATE you.

You are welcome.  See you in Albion or Eve Online, BYE NOW!

I am tired of being picked on while life skilling. Killing someone while they are locked in animation and/or lifeksilling is not PVP. It is Griefing. This game has to much player griefing at the moment. I feell ike people have gotten bored lately, and decided to take up griefing.

I would even pay for permanent PVE server access. Heck...it might even concence me to activate one of the additional subscriptions.  *hint*

One of the problems with this discussion is the forum warriors are contanstly lying about everything.  You know they are lying because the evidence in the crime scene is NOT consistent with the testimony.

PVP was removed from Olivia because people where constantly griefing new players.  Yet NOT A SINGLE one of these forum warrios ever admits to doing it?

PVP was removed from World Bosses due to pking and blocking people from bosses.  Yet NOT A SINGLE one of these forum warriors admits to it?

People have compained for YEARS about being harassed in grinding/lifeskills etc.  Yet NOT A SINGLE one of these forum warriors owns up to it?

They SAY every single time it's "someone bad person trying to take their rotation".  But somehow ALL THIS TOXIC behavior going on is NEVER ANY OF THEM LOL.

Pearl Abyss put an option to NOT allow people to drag your out to see FROM SAFE ZONES.  And you CAN BET none of these forum warriors will ADMIT TO DOING IT.

Something doesn't add up ;) Maybe some of these people are LYING.  The evidence is OVERWHELMING.

It's those dirty Karma Bombers running around PKing everyone!!! Wait a MINUTE.  That makes no $%^$^% sense.  That would MAKE THEM PKERS!!! (Well that sounds terrible lets just call them Karma Bombers because that sounds better and suits our narrative.   We will just hope no one notices how it makes litearlly no sense at all.

FYI some of these forums warriors think it's a good idea to scream VENDETTA against you and BYPASS, CIRCUMVENT, EXPLOIT, the entire Karma System so they can ABUSE YOU even more ;)

Your changing the narrative. We never said remove the karma system we just dont like the fact people like you run into our rotation when we have buffs on an have been there for a very long time that you can take the spot because if we flag no repercussions for you. Instead we lose time on our buffs on top if we try fight we lose karma which said persons put gear back on an we are negative an destroys crystals an can be feed to mobs which down grades gear. There zero incentive in grinding when this issue is plaguing the game.  Protecting your spot doesnt exist in bdo because of how the karma system works. Sure if there was some way of claiming a spot an allowed for pvp that would make the most sense but rn its just a greifest an people dont bother server switching since this function exists. This is a major issue for top end spots an centaurs an treasure spots.

You shouldn't be so dishonest.

"We never said remove the karma system"

Do you really believe that?  VENDETTA DAWG!!! Now I can PK you WITHOUT LOSING KARMA.  But like I'm not like saying like I want to REMOVE the Karma system or anything.

We should put down flags and NOT LOSE KARMA, but like I'm like not like saying REMOVE the karma system.

We want the Karma system to exist, we just DON'T WANT IT TO DO ANYTHING LOL.

NONE of YOU WANT PVP.  "You THINK you do, but you DON'T"

What is the difference between me going into someone ELSE's rotation and trying to PK/mob feed them vs going into their spot and just Karma Bombing.

There REALLY isn't much difference.  In BOTH cases it's just a player trying to abuse the system as much as possible to take the grind spot.

Which is REALLY stupid because ALL these people complaning about how they can't grind in peace CANT STAND PRIVATE INSTANCES and WONT go to Arsha.

What they WANT is to BULLY and take ADVATANGE of others.  That's WHY private instances doesn't solve their issue.

What they WANT is to literally DICTATE and FORCE THE ENTIRE CUSTOMER BASE to play exactly the WAY THEY WANT and be FORCED into some dumb DFS ideology, but AT THE SAME TIME that EXACT system isn't what they want either.

ALL of those people are full of garbage because their premise is

If you steal someone's spot by mob feeding (That's WONDERFUL)

If you steal someone's spot by karma bombing (That's TERRIBLE)

It's a delusional and worthless ideology.  Don't worry though I'm here to expose it ;)