Idk never play those game's but do heavily follow a streamer that just started playing FF14. He been doing group content sense day one once he hit lvl 20 so. Idk maybe learn how other MMORPGs work before trying to compare BDO's heavy single player only, anti social game design to MMOs that know how to be MMOs.

Also lol 30ish servers is to many in a game that averages 50k NA players a day. No the there not enough servers there just not enough to do in this 5 year old game cause PA refuses to add new interesting non copy paste content to it, so 80-90% of the players in BDO aren't even playing it there just afk life skilling tabbed out most likely playing WOW or FF14 while BDO plays it self in the background.

wants the cake and eat it too

So you must be one of these people that thinks BDO is a PVP game???

MMO:  FFXIV/GW2/WoW/FFXI/GW1/Elder Scrolls Online

Freemium Games:  RAID Shadowlegends/BDO/Genshin Impact

Even if I answered this meaningless question that completely doesn't relate to what I said, what the your point? Don't worry you don't need to answer I know it just your trying to deflect and change the subject over admitting your wrong.

Honestly?  

WoW: 

Solo PvE: I quest an alt up to level cap, no actual need to talk to anyone  

group PvE: I am queued for a dungeon that 4 other randomized people are on my screen, we speedrun the dungeon and don't interact with each other in any meaningful way . They might as well be bots. In high end super-hard dungeons and raids, you need to coordinate your group in advance and shotcall during the encounters. 

FFXIV:

solo PvE: I do the story, path of the dead, no actual need to talk to anyone    

group PvE: I am queued for a duty that 3 other randomized people are on my screen, we speedrun the dungeon and don't interact with each other in any meaningful way. They might as well be bots.  In high end super-hard duties and raids, you need to coordinate your group in advance and shotcall during the encounters. 

BDO:

solo PvE: Spam R thru story, grind laps in monster zones, no actual need to talk to anyone    

group PvE: grind laps in monster zones with 1-4 other people on my screen; they might as well be bots. There is no high end PvE that requires a level of coordination that necessitates static group members & voice comms.  

I've played MMOs for decades now. They are as social as *you* make them. It is still extremely easy to be completely isolated and lonely during group content in FFXIV/WoW if you do not make personal effort to make connections with the people you play with. And conversely, despite BDO not requiring it for PvE, somehow we're still active in discord and chatting while we each grind solo and we know each other and are friends.  

 I do think BDO should have more group content -- why not? people love it so implement it. But I don't understand saying BDO is not an MMO but saying FFXIV/WoW is -- I don't understand the criteria that excludes BDO. 

The fact that ya you could quest to max level solo in WOW and FF14, but you can also do it with others and also be rewarded for it. But BDO not only can you not quest with others, you are punished for leveling with others, your literally punished every time someone else is near you. Person fishing next to you get less fish, person doing trading life skill at the same time as you you get less silver person grinding the same rotation as you you get less loot person parting with you you get less XP person gathering in the same spot as you you get less mobs to gather from others turning in imperial crates you can turn in less crates and soon people bartaring in the ocean with you well PA thinks it a good idea to make bartaring like imperial crates limit turn in per server not player.

Mean while in FF14 if I fish with others my rare fish drop rate increases, if I grind with others my XP per kill is increased, if I gather with other people my nods aren't consumed by others and I get a higher chance for rare items. The difference is clear everything in WOW and FF14 is more rewarding when interacting with others everything in BDO punishes you for interacting with others so much so that it completely discourages you from wanting to interact with people. Simple put there no such thing as asking for help from someone in BDO because people physically can't help you play the game they can only inhibit your ability to play the game

Ok, if this game really was a single player game, that would be great. But as soon as i hit 50 I can't quest or do lifeskills because I can't even travel to the quest objective without getting ganked.  This is the reason I quit playing WOW. 

I just dont understand the mentality behid it. If you want to kill other players, go ahead. As long as everyone is in agreement.

So "End Game" is noting more than PVP bloodbath? Then why is the starting portion of the game totally devoid of this? If the purpose of the game is for players to fight each other, then set up the game to do that from the start. Don't promote this false sense of gameplay where you can build up to guru level in anything, as long as you can outwit some other bully waiting to stab you in the back.

I though this game was refreshing. I enjoyed the mechanics, the quest line, and even the quest for knowledge. I really didn't even pay attention to what level my character was at. I was looking forward to what was on the other side of the quests. Antd then i found I can't even travel back to the questgiver because I keep getting ganked. Where the hell is the enjoyment for that? 

There are at least 150 games where all you do is pvp. I really enjoyed not dealing with that BS, until I hit 50 and had no choice. 

But actually I do have a choice, it is to walk away. 

more group content thats actually financially relevant would be amazing.

castle ruins - has one good rotation per channel, super contested, kinda gets boring fast.

imps - horror show for those that need blue shards, noone else will go there ever. boring. super annoying without elvia weapon.

abandoned monastery - "ok" with castle buff i guess, super boring, super prone to bullying from event party crashers.

oluns - need high gear and specific classes to be even remotely desireable group spot beside costume farm. personally i find it fun, but its simply not worth with elvia orcs and bloody monastery existing.

gyfin temple - wha? lol rework this please. used to be great, now its not worth visiting for nostalgia even.

mirumoks - wha? lol - powerleveling zone for alts.

turos - would actually be nice with few more mobs per group and if ranged mobs there werent so annoying and taking forever to group up into kill zone. its not hard, its simply stupid.