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What has happened to ninja in T1 node wars?
CRIIXUS Jul 29, 2021, 23:16 (UTC)
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Posted Jul 29, 2021, 23:16 (UTC)
# 1

I have the optimal t1 nw build excluding blackstar, I have a good crystal build / fully buffed. So how come I can't one combo anyone?

Why is it that I do literally next to no damage, on T1 easy node wars.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPrcHfo5oiE

https://streamable.com/n9btnp

https://streamable.com/2hatfq

 

Just trying to find where they playability is in doing next to no damage, And why a class like ninja where you have to play it like a piano has been nerfed to the state it's at ( In t1's )

Posted Jul 30, 2021, 09:16 (UTC)
# 2

Well, first of all, stop comboing like you're a 301 ap monkey reroller in rbf. Second, I don't see you using dp cuts. You should be stacking as many debuffs and attacks into a sequence as you can to maximize damage.

Posted Jul 31, 2021, 07:46 (UTC)
# 3

Will start of with that I don't play Ninja so I can't comment on that. 

But checking those vids and the damage you do and others do in it,  well all I can say it looks normal with the "new" updated tier 1 caps. 
People in general have become way more tankier. As a guard/witch I went from getting one shotten by a tamer (ult) or a ninja to well being able to survive it and move on. In return I do almost no damage at all either. 

Unless the devs bring other changes or other caps to it, expect to be doing no damage at all most of the time in tier 1, at least while solo. 

But I would suggest giving tier 1 medium or hard a go as there is a slight difference, not much but it is there. 

Posted Aug 1, 2021, 21:51 (UTC)
# 4
On: Jul 30, 2021, 09:16 (UTC), Written by Xenon

Well, first of all, stop comboing like you're a 301 ap monkey reroller in rbf. Second, I don't see you using dp cuts. You should be stacking as many debuffs and attacks into a sequence as you can to maximize damage.

I mean doing a full combo doesn't mean anything if a double serpent does less than 10% of someones full hp.

And idk what world you are in if you think you have time to do a double extended combo in a 1v2 situation.

Edited Aug 1, 2021, 21:56 (UTC)
# 5
On: Jul 30, 2021, 09:16 (UTC), Written by Xenon

Well, first of all, stop comboing like you're a 301 ap monkey reroller in rbf. Second, I don't see you using dp cuts. You should be stacking as many debuffs and attacks into a sequence as you can to maximize damage.

dp cutting also doesn't matter in t1's since most people have 340 dp+ so even if I cut the dp they will still be past the cap

 

50% BSR katanashower + full serpent and flow = less than 30% dps 

Posted Aug 2, 2021, 06:11 (UTC)
# 6

Welcome to BDO where PVP balance does not exist. 

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Posted Aug 2, 2021, 10:13 (UTC)
# 7

Since when is blackstar best in slot for a nodwar build ? Did i miss something ? 

Posted Aug 2, 2021, 13:21 (UTC)
# 8
On: Jul 30, 2021, 09:16 (UTC), Written by Xenon

Well, first of all, stop comboing like you're a 301 ap monkey reroller in rbf. Second, I don't see you using dp cuts. You should be stacking as many debuffs and attacks into a sequence as you can to maximize damage.

 

His combo is fairly standard and the only way to combo in large-scale. The reason people combo like that in RBF is because that's how you combo when you need to stay protected. Then again, you sound pathetically clueless. In first streamable he starts off with Katana Shower (20 DP debuff) and Flashing Light (6% evasion debuff), so your "point" about debuffs is just dumb. The same thing happens in the second clip. If you don't see "DP cuts" in his clips, you literally have no clue about Ninja skills and what effects they have. You must have watched too many 2k18 combo videos and think Ankle whiffs are still a thing. I'm fairly sure these 301 AP monkey rerollers you hate so much know more than you do, but you talking about 301 AP like it's anything relevant nowadays only betrays your lack of PvP experience. 

Posted Aug 2, 2021, 15:25 (UTC)
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On: Aug 2, 2021, 13:21 (UTC), Written by Nabuchodonozord

 

His combo is fairly standard and the only way to combo in large-scale. The reason people combo like that in RBF is because that's how you combo when you need to stay protected. Then again, you sound pathetically clueless. In first streamable he starts off with Katana Shower (20 DP debuff) and Flashing Light (6% evasion debuff), so your "point" about debuffs is just dumb. The same thing happens in the second clip. If you don't see "DP cuts" in his clips, you literally have no clue about Ninja skills and what effects they have. You must have watched too many 2k18 combo videos and think Ankle whiffs are still a thing. I'm fairly sure these 301 AP monkey rerollers you hate so much know more than you do, but you talking about 301 AP like it's anything relevant nowadays only betrays your lack of PvP experience. 

 

Exactly my point when I'm in a 1vX situation no one is gonna allow me to apply ankle cutter, or watch me do long extended combo's which is why I apply the most damage I can whilst staying protected. I think ninja is way to hard of a class to be made an extended combo oriented class, like it's hard staying alive never mind turtling protective abilities just so I know I can kill them with a 13-15 skill combo. I heard applying dp cut's to people who have more dp than the cap is useless because they will still remain on the DP cap, even still Musa can 3/4 skill someone from full HP, where as Ninja's kit has been shit on to the extent our BSR does 0 dmg.

Posted Aug 2, 2021, 20:51 (UTC)
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On: Aug 2, 2021, 13:21 (UTC), Written by Nabuchodonozord

 

His combo is fairly standard and the only way to combo in large-scale. The reason people combo like that in RBF is because that's how you combo when you need to stay protected. Then again, you sound pathetically clueless. In first streamable he starts off with Katana Shower (20 DP debuff) and Flashing Light (6% evasion debuff), so your "point" about debuffs is just dumb. The same thing happens in the second clip. If you don't see "DP cuts" in his clips, you literally have no clue about Ninja skills and what effects they have. You must have watched too many 2k18 combo videos and think Ankle whiffs are still a thing. I'm fairly sure these 301 AP monkey rerollers you hate so much know more than you do, but you talking about 301 AP like it's anything relevant nowadays only betrays your lack of PvP experience. 

This is t1, not large scale. The stat caps mean you need to combo properly or group up to kill. You don't do either of those, then people live just like they do in the clips.

 

You really want to talk shit when neither you or the op notice the group is PA buffed in the first streamable clip? Flashing Light debuff is literally next to useless in t1s. Eva is capped to the point that the only use would be if they pop an eva buff. And no shit Katana Shower is -20 dp. What about addons? All I see is a single attack speed addon on it, and that's all you get from his two useless streamable clips. He could easily slap a dp debuff addon on his katana shower and increase his damage, but no, I'm the one who's clueless. I really don't want to hear it from a sage player who thinks they know more about my class than me.

On: Aug 2, 2021, 15:25 (UTC), Written by CRIIXUS

 

Exactly my point when I'm in a 1vX situation no one is gonna allow me to apply ankle cutter, or watch me do long extended combo's which is why I apply the most damage I can whilst staying protected. I think ninja is way to hard of a class to be made an extended combo oriented class, like it's hard staying alive never mind turtling protective abilities just so I know I can kill them with a 13-15 skill combo. I heard applying dp cut's to people who have more dp than the cap is useless because they will still remain on the DP cap, even still Musa can 3/4 skill someone from full HP, where as Ninja's kit has been shit on to the extent our BSR does 0 dmg.


 Then get out of t1s. T1s have been this way since they changed the stat caps. You're not killing people in three skills as a Ninja there. Adapt, or die like you do in the clips.

Regardless of whether or not that's true about dp cuts, it doesn't matter. Not everybody in t1s has their DR rate capped. It still helps you kill targets. You almost killed the musa in the 2 minute clip. Imagine if you did a KD combo instead of float or had an extra -10 dp off him. You might have secured the kill before he could v. You have to min/max every little point you can, since t1s are designed so that people don't just die to anyone they see or kill anyone they see.


Drastic Measure BSR hasn't done good damage since 2017, Katana Shower bsr is only useful for protected float, and the rest have always been dog.