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Let's ACTUALLY talk about Awakened Sage Changes. (From the perspective of a day one sage lover)
Aug 14, 2021, 22:24 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 00:06 (UTC)
# 11
On: Aug 14, 2021, 22:24 (UTC), Written by RumbleStilt

Second, we make bolt (our Iframe) fully visible the entire time but instead of changing it from an iframe to an SA, it stays an iframe. This way us sages still have a way to avoid damage both (PvP and PvE) to our frail, nimble boned bodies while also giving players fighting against sage a far easier time tracking and catching him.

Lastly, to further address sages huge amount of damage we look at what ACTUALLY gives him the ability to dish out an absurd amount of damage no matter the scenario. This being his insane amount of accuracy that he gets for free in his kit. 


no. sage is enabled to do what it does BECAUSE it has on demand "endless" iframe mobility. it can reposition without sweating, and then utilize his omega large aoe with circus damage or grab or whatever even with multiple enemies around him.

also, its accuracy is broken, but it doesnt shred only evasion builds, it absolutely shreds DR builds as well where accuracy doesnt really matter.

so... i understand u want to keep your new fotm op toy, but Pearl Abyss actually made the right call how to nerf you. Bolt nerf is the right choice.

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Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 00:28 (UTC)
# 12
On: Aug 15, 2021, 00:02 (UTC), Written by Seeryus

no. sage is enabled to do what it does BECAUSE it has on demand "endless" iframe mobility. it can reposition without sweating, and then utilize his omega large aoe with circus damage or grab or whatever even with multiple enemies around him.

also, its accuracy is broken, but it doesnt shred only evasion builds, it absolutely shreds DR builds as well where accuracy doesnt really matter.

so... i understand u want to keep your new fotm op toy, but Pearl Abyss actually made the right call how to nerf you. Bolt nerf is the right choice.

Endless iframe?

You've obviously never played an Awa Sage, just part of the hate-hype-train. If you bolt around a lot you run out of stamina fairly quickly. (fairly quickly means 5 Bolts)
Much slower than the other iframe classes.

And yet again, you go and talk about Accuracy being broken. Then why talk about the iframe? Focus on the damage/accuracy.

Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 00:34 (UTC)
# 13

I'd rather Sages be invisible and SA than visible and iframe.

 

The nerfs to the class are deserved and fair. 

Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 00:38 (UTC)
# 14
On: Aug 15, 2021, 00:02 (UTC), Written by Seeryus

no. sage is enabled to do what it does BECAUSE it has on demand "endless" iframe mobility. it can reposition without sweating, and then utilize his omega large aoe with circus damage or grab or whatever even with multiple enemies around him.

also, its accuracy is broken, but it doesnt shred only evasion builds, it absolutely shreds DR builds as well where accuracy doesnt really matter.

so... i understand u want to keep your new fotm op toy, but Pearl Abyss actually made the right call how to nerf you. Bolt nerf is the right choice.

Your comment about sages having "endless" iframe mobility stems from your inexperience with playing the class. So there's no reason for me to really respond to it. It's extremely easy to say a class can iframe endlessly when you don't know what it takes to actually cycle the rapid stamina consumtion that continously iframing actually causes.


Second, Saying that him having insane accuracy has nothing to do with DR builds is just ludicrous. If you do not need to build any sort of accuracy gear in your kit whatsoever to deal with evasion classes, this means you can focus purely on having as much AP as you can possibly get, which means you will have no problem fighting DR classes either. That's why lowering his insane amount of accuracy will both nerf his potency towards DR classes as well as Evasion classes.

Also, his "omega large aoe circus damage" by this you're obviously referring to Lightning Prison, which I already said was too strong and that removing it's 100% critical rate was a good idea. 

Also, I've played awakening sage ever since his release. Both when he was a unplayable buggy mess, as well as his current status in the game. So saying all I want to do is keep my FOTM is silly especially when I said I'm completely open to nerfs, and even suggested some myself.


But whatever.

You want the class to become unplayable because it's currently strong, which is a horrible mentality to have. 

It always comes full circle, and even though it's sage on the chopping block right now it could be your class on the chopping block next.


Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 00:40 (UTC)
# 15
On: Aug 15, 2021, 00:32 (UTC), Written by asdsadfas

I'd rather Sages be invisible and SA than visible and iframe.

 

The nerfs to the class are deserved and fair. 

I'd rather their iframe be completely visible. It solves the communities problem of them being "untrackable" Which will lead to players being able to catch and punish them far more easily.

Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 00:44 (UTC)
# 16
On: Aug 15, 2021, 00:32 (UTC), Written by asdsadfas

I'd rather Sages be invisible and SA than visible and iframe.

 

The nerfs to the class are deserved and fair. 

Well deserved, just like the Succ nerfs that were handled perfectly. That's why no one plays Succ Sage anymore. :3

Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 01:39 (UTC)
# 17
On: Aug 15, 2021, 00:44 (UTC), Written by Fabulicious

Well deserved, just like the Succ nerfs that were handled perfectly. That's why no one plays Succ Sage anymore. :3

Why play an inferior spec (which is still strong) , when you can literally put on oasis and kill any class at 380dp in the game?

 

If anything, that argument only shows how disgustingly strong awakened sage really was that no one considers the succession variety. now they're both at the same level and at the same playing field as the rest of the classes, if still not stronger.

Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 02:19 (UTC)
# 18
On: Aug 15, 2021, 01:35 (UTC), Written by asdsadfas

Why play an inferior spec (which is still strong) , when you can literally put on oasis and kill any class at 380dp in the game?

 

If anything, that argument only shows how disgustingly strong awakened sage really was that no one considers the succession variety. now they're both at the same level and at the same playing field as the rest of the classes, if still not stronger.

What a useless comment.

"they're both at the same level", I guess that's the perfect solution - making them both dead. 0 Sage players is a great solution for you. lol

If you think Succ (that you stated is "still strong") is strong, I have bad news about your PVP skills. Dying to a Succ Sage in 1v1 is quite a tragedy.

Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 02:43 (UTC)
# 19
On: Aug 15, 2021, 02:18 (UTC), Written by Fabulicious

What a useless comment.

"they're both at the same level", I guess that's the perfect solution - making them both dead. 0 Sage players is a great solution for you. lol

If you think Succ (that you stated is "still strong") is strong, I have bad news about your PVP skills. Dying to a Succ Sage in 1v1 is quite a tragedy.

If you're using 1v1 as your basis for balance, then I have bad news for you. Also shows that you're short sighted and your opinion on balance is irrelevant in the grand scheme of the game.

 

Guess succession wizards pre nerf were completely balanced because they were just A tier 1v1 huh? 

Last Edit : Aug 15, 2021, 02:39 (UTC)
# 20
On: Aug 15, 2021, 01:35 (UTC), Written by asdsadfas

Why play an inferior spec (which is still strong) , when you can literally put on oasis and kill any class at 380dp in the game?

 

If anything, that argument only shows how disgustingly strong awakened sage really was that no one considers the succession variety. now they're both at the same level and at the same playing field as the rest of the classes, if still not stronger.

I'm sorry to say, no. it does not suggest that awakening sage is "just that strong" Because when succ sage was deleted, awakening sage was still in it's "iffy" territory where most people didn't know what to think about it. It was not considered a strong class whatsoever. That came much later.

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