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Let's ACTUALLY talk about Awakened Sage Changes. (From the perspective of a day one sage lover)
Aug 14, 2021, 22:24 (UTC)
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On: Sep 11, 2021, 07:17 (UTC), Written by asdsadfas

Unintended iframes resulting from a bug means the class is not balanced around it, not that it matters as they are losing that from rework.

 

I'll even help you out with mentioning dusk by itself is 2 second, the chain is 5 second and it still wouldn't be better than sages. Airstrike is 7 second and is only iframe for a split frame, the attack portion itself is not iframe nor is it usable during cooldown for SA. Comparing that to the 4 second cooldown iframe that you keep forgetting to mention in preawakening you're just embarassing urself if you think one is strictly better than the other.

 

By the way I've already said that I advocate for the skill to be iframe off cooldown but higher cd, and definitely not spammable as it were as again your class is not nearly squishy enough to have it. 

 

3. Yes I did take that in consideration but even in a "balanced" T2 scripted nodewar there will still be a similar amount of hardcapped players. There is no better placing on a node than with the weird elo system in the T2 system and I can guarantee you there is a huge gear difference between the lowest gear and the highest geared players on the node, sometimes even larger than the difference that invalidates rbf for you.

 

The T1 point there is to point out that at equalized gear, Sages still perform just to push that gear argument even furthur behind. 

 

RBF is not a good place to check balance because of gear difference, and T1 is not a good place to check balance even though there isn't a gear difference. lol i mean what else is there really to say

 

Where exactly can you possibly be trying to balance the game around? Like if we go through the rest of the PVP content there's only BA (1v1), T2+ NW, Siege, and overworld left. balancing a class around 1v1 is a stupidly horrible idea so we can rule out BA though literally based on him having a ranged grab he can't be weak there either way. Sages definitely still performs in both T2 and overworld, even with the ghillie changes making the class a target. I'll even go as far as to say both succession and awakening still performs in both despite all the cries about how weak succesion sages are. Sieges even after the wall changes matters very little considering it's still casters vs not caster. The last thing would be around other classes which would be dumb since you would be asking for more nerfs rather than buffs.

 

Again with the disregarding of my viewpoint thinking that I'm only talking about endgame when i've already offered examples, you're really becoming more and more hypocritical because "I don't mean to be rude, but I feel as though you're either not reading what I say, or just purposefully ignoring some parts of it"

 

I've already offered 2 different perspective of Sages- hardcap just to show that the class don't fall over, and a low end just to show that even at low gear the class isn't nearly as squishy as you make it out to be and still does rediculous damage. Through another 5 minutes I found qmgsaint who has 620 gs, literally as low as trials has vods of both succession and awakening gameplay after the nerf and the class still performs- nodewar, rbf, even farming. At this point, it really doesn't feel like the class is the problem for you. 

 

I've also quite literally specifically mentioned T1 which is gearcapped and is purely skill based and having 750 gs don't matter but you've disregarded the point with nothing other than what can be summed up to "lol" which speaks volume. though go off about how "incredibly obvious" that my viewpoint is about 750gs sages though because apparently that's your argument now. 

 

You simultaneously disregard pvp arguments because the argument has a gear difference, as well as because the place has equalized gear. You ask others to open their minds yet throughout the post it's becoming obvious that you never cared about what others think. Maybe you don't realize this but your viewpoint speaks very much that you've only discussed everything with sage players only with disregard any other class. Have you perhaps considered the fact that speaking in the Sage discord surrounded by Sages and only Sages doesn't let you understand much? It's really obvious through the post that you are oblivious about how much your class had compared to others, and still has compared to other classes.. Which is still weird considering that I think even the Sage discord has accepted that the class is "not OP,but good"

 

agree to disagree I guess.

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