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Aug 20, 2021, 15:49 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Aug 22, 2021, 05:17 (UTC)
# 11

Like we all can get a nice pc and a nicem onitor :D
Yeah it's easy :D

Last Edit : Aug 22, 2021, 14:23 (UTC)
# 12

Hahah OP is confirmed for P2W: "I bought high end components to have an advantage so I should keep that advantage." Huehuehue 

Last Edit : Aug 23, 2021, 10:24 (UTC)
# 13

FPS warrior detected :x 

 

 

In fakt its not fair that FPS plays a such a enormus high role in a game. 

its a balance issue. 

 

 

 

 

Last Edit : Aug 23, 2021, 21:40 (UTC)
# 14
On: Aug 20, 2021, 15:49 (UTC), Written by Anvorka

And yes, I would like to see an FPS fix without touching classes. I love my warrior and the gameplay, I don't want to see him destroy by stupid choices that Pearl Abyss can take just to creat another brainless class.

Lol at your post, it was an entertaining read xD yes, all those crybabies need to put up, or shut up, I agree lol.

 

But as far as this quote.  Man, does it relate to me as well on my Sorc.  I am scared, man.  Real scared of the "rework".

 

They want to reduce FPS dependancy.  Here's what they said about the rework (thanks ODB3698):

 

By "operation fatigue due to too fast frame cancellation and frequent main weapon switching", this makes me think they're going to make OG classes "feel" like the new ones.  And this has me really worried.

 

The thing I like about Sorc is how she feels.  PvP and PvE.  IDK how to exactly explain it without showing you, but it's the FEEL of the class.  New classes, to me, feel like auto-pilot.  Abilities do everything in a single key press - Super Armor, CC, and damage.  It feels braindead and optimized for console.  OG classes feel more "deliberate" and offer greater control, IDK what words to use, and it's tough to explain it without showing you.  The OG's just feel different, man....more combo's, faster animations, instead of long, drawn out animatons that lock you in Super Armor.

 

OG classes, if you notice one thing, is you sprint when you hold shift+W with your weapon out.  New classes, shift+W is a dash.  It seems insignificant, but it's actually huge.  OG classes seem to be more optimized to play with keybaord and mouse, where quick button presses and quick camera swings are possible, as opposed to console, who's hardware is weaker and a optimized for controller use.

 

If the rework changes the "feel" of our classes....IDK, man.  I just don't know.  Hopefully, they have the devs who made Warrior and Sorc, and the rest of the OG's on board.  If not, expect our classes to feel like they were made to play on console, like the new classes. (No offense to anyone who likes the new classes better, this is just my IMO).

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 00:55 (UTC)
# 15

As somone who spent the majority of their gameplay in 20-30fps(500+days). I literally just got my new build set up today and can run in remasted at 90-100fps. The difference is just mindnumbingly good on my warrior. Playing on low setting in group pvp was like roulette during every engage. You couldnt see half the players, any of the aoe and by the time you set up FG/SA you would be CCd from desync/lag. you had to play so cautiously as a melee or say "fuck it" and play ranged/caster. 

 

I would vote yes for a cap @ 60 fps only because that seems like the safe median of players. Thats only if the game would stay @ 60fps regardless of whether its siege night, im stacked on top of 100 ppl @ garmouth or im solo grinding. I cant speak for others but i assume the ppl advocating for 100+ fps know that come siege night they still need to go into setting and dip down to play competively due to shitty server issues. 

 

Both sides have valid points and as someone who has been on both sides now i would say its on PA to fix things on their end before anything. No need to throw shit at eachother in the meantime while we wait. 

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 02:58 (UTC)
# 16
On: Aug 23, 2021, 21:36 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

The thing I like about Sorc is how she feels.  PvP and PvE.  IDK how to exactly explain it without showing you, but it's the FEEL of the class.  New classes, to me, feel like auto-pilot.  Abilities do everything in a single key press - Super Armor, CC, and damage.  It feels braindead and optimized for console.  OG classes feel more "deliberate" and offer greater control, IDK what words to use, and it's tough to explain it without showing you.  The OG's just feel different, man....more combo's, faster animations, instead of long, drawn out animatons that lock you in Super Armor.

You are not wrong to be biased, because sorc is actually a very well designed class, that while feeling good to the player doesn't cause a lot of issues to others around it (such as massive desync). That is not true for every old class though. Some of them (warrior, zerker are good examples) really need to be looked at.

 

Then there are the balancing issues that this kind of design brings. I have no idea why we still have a class that's quicker and snappier than most rat classes in the game, has zero stamina management issues (again, unlike every rat class), while also having most of the benefits of a bruiser kit, such as SA block, grab with the best passive in the game, gigaeasy to apply 30% protected slows and a decent amount of protected damage. Oh and as a bonus, it desyncs more than any other class in the game.

 

If butchering it means turning it into a real class with actual downsides, then by all means, they should do it.

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 15:25 (UTC)
# 17
On: Aug 21, 2021, 11:13 (UTC), Written by Findubar

So it's basically not fair for anyone? I wonder why they want to change it *thinking emoji* 
It has to change. 

No it doesn't. 😃

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 15:28 (UTC)
# 18
On: Aug 24, 2021, 02:58 (UTC), Written by thdqd

You are not wrong to be biased, because sorc is actually a very well designed class, that while feeling good to the player doesn't cause a lot of issues to others around it (such as massive desync). That is not true for every old class though. Some of them (warrior, zerker are good examples) really need to be looked at.

 

Then there are the balancing issues that this kind of design brings. I have no idea why we still have a class that's quicker and snappier than most rat classes in the game, has zero stamina management issues (again, unlike every rat class), while also having most of the benefits of a bruiser kit, such as SA block, grab with the best passive in the game, gigaeasy to apply 30% protected slows and a decent amount of protected damage. Oh and as a bonus, it desyncs more than any other class in the game.

 

If butchering it means turning it into a real class with actual downsides, then by all means, they should do it.

Me trying to figure out what class you're talking about 🤔

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 20:55 (UTC)
# 19
On: Aug 20, 2021, 15:49 (UTC), Written by Anvorka

Since the class reboot's annoucement, I'm seeing a ton of thread about FPS and a class.

It's pissing me off.

To make it clear, warrior isn't the only class which is dependant to FPS, Tamer is, sorceress is, Berserk is and ranger is. So stop talking only about warrior because you don't even understand what you are talking about.
You don't even know what it is to play a class which is too dependant about FPS, you can't even understand how we are tired to always be at X FPS with low setting to be decent in PVP and PVE. New classes don't have this problem. All warriors, or tamers or rangers, or sorcs, or berskerks would like to play in remaster with any FPS' problems  like new classes do.

Secondly, a lot of players are blaming players like me to have a good set up for games like BDO.
My set up :
I7 11700KF
RTX 2070 8Go
16 RAM
2 SSD, one of 1To, one of 250 Go
1 M.2 of 250 Go
Monitor MSI Optix MAG271R 165 Hz

A lot them are litteraly crying because with a good GPU, a good CPU and good monitor, players like me can have 165 FPS, because the monitor can show 165 FPS, and because your CPU and your GPU give the enough power to get that. (And don't forget, even if you have 165 FPS, you always have drop in game, if I don't move I'm at 165, if I start to grind at SE or Kama, I'm at 90-100 in remaster, and I can feel the difference on my class, which is not normal).
And I'm going to be rude. Even me, a student which has to pay an expensive school can find money and time to buy good components.

Just stop complain. You can't blame a guy who bought good components for his computer to play games. I did that, and it wasn't only for BDO, it's for all games. A lot of you are complaining, and I ask you this question "And you ? what is your setup ? Because you are complaining for have 30 FPS all the time" So many of you have a shit PC who is older than six years on a game like BDO which is asking a DECENT PC.
Then don't complain.

So many of you are also playing in remaster even if your PC can't run it correctly. And I reply "Then go in low settings", you are answering "No I PrEfEr To PlAy In ReMaStEr bEcAuSe iF I WaNt To PlAy An UgLy GaMe, I PrEfEr To PlAy WoW".
Then don't complain.

When I also say "Then you should start to invest into a good PC, it will help you to play in remaster and to play other good games", so many of you are saying "No!! I won't do it, I don't want to invest money in that !! It's useless, I have better stuff to buy".
Then don't complain.

So many of you are trashtalking players who optimized their game. BDO allows you to play in optimal mode. BDO allows you to modify Nvidia / AMD setting to make a you game better. But do you even know that you also do it ? Do you even know that ? Seems like no or maybe you just want to stupid and childish.
You can't blame them for having taken their time to optimize the game.
Then don't complain.

I don't understand why you are so toxic and why you are complaining about something you also do. And yes, I would like to see an FPS fix without touching classes. I love my warrior and the gameplay, I don't want to see him destroy by stupid choices that Pearl Abyss can take just to creat another brainless class.

PS : English isn't my main language, so if you see any mistake, just inform me and I'll modify. Some of you are spitting when there is a mistake, it doesn't help and that's disgusting. It's better to help because a person like me won't do the same mistake.

for once and for all, if you buy this hardware to play in opti mode you make a fool out of yourself. the one and only reason you feel a difference between 144 fps and 300 fps is the bad game engine and the exploit you actively abusing.

the devs dont know want to fix it because it needs some serious rework, or they dont know how to.

what so ever... this is a gamebug. you cant feel frames, you just see them up to 60 of what a human brain is able to process.

you can feel attackspeed tho.

what ever you think you are doing, stacking fps for no reason is literall cheating. and warriors are just the worst examble of cheaters without dignity. the game is full of them, not to mention piloting and other stuff PA does not care about.

thats one of the reasons the game is dying.

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 21:05 (UTC)
# 20
On: Aug 24, 2021, 02:58 (UTC), Written by thdqd

You are not wrong to be biased, because sorc is actually a very well designed class, that while feeling good to the player doesn't cause a lot of issues to others around it (such as massive desync). That is not true for every old class though. Some of them (warrior, zerker are good examples) really need to be looked at.

 

Then there are the balancing issues that this kind of design brings. I have no idea why we still have a class that's quicker and snappier than most rat classes in the game, has zero stamina management issues (again, unlike every rat class), while also having most of the benefits of a bruiser kit, such as SA block, grab with the best passive in the game, gigaeasy to apply 30% protected slows and a decent amount of protected damage. Oh and as a bonus, it desyncs more than any other class in the game.

 

If butchering it means turning it into a real class with actual downsides, then by all means, they should do it.

There are times where I'll desync into a grab after iframing, but I'm pretty sure that's a pretty typical desync issue.  It doesn't happen a lot, in fact, I don't remember the last time I've been desync'd into a grab from meters away.  Seems to be a ping-related issue that all classes can experience on occasion.

 

IDK man.  Thinknig about the rework gives me severe anxiety lol.  A big part of why I love BDO and have stuck around for years, is the Sorceress class.  It's not even about being overpowered to me, or having the class that performs the best.  It's just what "feels" right...no class pilots like Sorc.  In fact, all classes have a pretty distinct feel, especially the OG's. 

 

I have a feeling they're going to destroy that "feel" us OG players have grown to love, and who have spent hundred, even thousands, or hours mastering and make our classes feel like they are optimized for console (controller play).  Q_Q man.  Q f'ing Q.  But time will tell.  I have no faith.  Need to see what the devs do, but when we do, it'll be too late and the damage will be done.  Ruin Sorc, then ruin BDO.  Oh well.  Maybe quitting might be good anyhow.

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