To bottom line it for the people who are confused;
All I am proposing is that instead of havning to open your skill tree, hit reset skills and then choose Succesion or Awakening, you can simply hit C+ any direction giving you a fast cheap attack /linker that swaps not just your weapon but entire skill tree/stance.
Too much power creep. they'd need to rework all the pve zones in order to do that and balance would be impossible.
I think you may be confused. This is what we have now.
This change would make combos more difficult to read/ more diverse, add more skills and require more skill points. The swap obviously would be unprotected but since it can happen at anytime OR NOT and would/should be seamless, you will be unnaware of when it will happen or what the next move will be, which is exactly the sytem we have right now.
Again I think you may be confused. This is what we have now.
You do a move that FORCES a swap and the first thing everyone does is swap back, unless its part of some mobility cancell that everyone does exactly the same way.
Its already being changed
Swap or dont swap, its up to you to weave whatever combo you choose, play how you choose.
This is the whole point.
Dude. You play Sorc and don't want "auto-swapping"? What a weird world you live in.
Who said anything about standing still? Did you read my second post?
I see a few posters getting hung up on nuance like protections and CCs and whatnot. My proposal would essentially be a complete overhaul, Which is exactly what they are doing.
When the reboots go LIVE all the protections, CCs and even mobility moves will potentially be completely diffrent, so dont get hung up on things like that.
I am stricly talking the ability to swap weapon stances manually (as part of a combo, smooth seamless etc..) instead of reliying on a specific move from each stance which is what we have now. How it is implemented stats wise would be upto whatever the Devs idea of "balance" is as long as it is there.
To bottom line it for the people who are confused;
All I am proposing is that instead of havning to open your skill tree, hit reset skills and then choose Succesion or Awakening, you can simply hit C+ any direction giving you a fast cheap attack /linker that swaps not just your weapon but entire skill tree/stance.
The part that confuses me the most is you play Sorc, and are complaining about "manually swapping"? Is it auto-swap of manual swap, what are you actually talking about?
I'm already worried Pearl Abyss is going to ruin the best class in the game (Sorceress). And your post isn't really helping, since your suggestions sounds like complete garbage, just IMO.
Sorc's mechanics is simple the most beautiful, combo-centric, intricate, precise, responsive, quick, iframe-y, dodge-y, burst-y, spinny, complicated, and sky-is-the-limit, class I've ever tried in this game. I've mained Sorc and only Sorc for like, 4 years, and am still, to this day, completely in love with the class. Even during the time when Sorc didn't have Rabam's or BON skills, during the time she was considered a "dead class", I stuck with her BECAUSE of the machanics.
And now we got a level 61 Sorc lifeskiller who wants to ruin her mechanics before PA does. Nice.
I play every class and Im not the only one who thinks there needs to be changes, hence the reboot.
Im sorry you guys will need to learn some new combos, such is life.
Yea people definitely want change but I'm also sure that a good majority doesn't want what you are describing.
"I play every class" You have 3 characters over level 60 and less than half the classes total lol
Im sorry you have learn the game. such is life. contrast to your belief, but while some skills dont make sense autoswapping is not bad game design.
I still stand by my initial response- it would be more idiotic to remove these skills.
if anything id like more ways to go into awaken :)
Yea people definitely want change but I'm also sure that a good majority doesn't want what you are describing.
"I play every class" You have 3 characters over level 60 and less than half the classes total lol
Im sorry you have learn the game. such is life. contrast to your belief, but while some skills dont make sense autoswapping is not bad game design.
I still stand by my initial response- it would be more idiotic to remove these skills.
Well I am sure the majority does want changes like this or simmilar once they understand what is proposed and by the responses in this thread I can tell that you not only dont understand but dont even know what YOU want. You sound like BDO your first mmo. Should I not delete characters? Is leveling past 60 some kind of proof of mastery LOL
if anything id like more ways to go into awaken :)
I am giving you four new ways to go into both awakening and succession. Removing NOT the skill but the autoswap portion and making it its own ATTACk, the fastest ATTACK in any kit.
I can tell you have no idea what you are talking about because the majority of the complains were "but muh protection, muh CC, muh power creep, its too much work for the devs". One of you actully cried about "Succ sucks anyway"
You are all in for a rude awaking because all of this IS being changed so why cry about it?
Autoswapping IS idiotic when its limited to three random moves in a talent tree. It is not idiotic when it is a standerdized move created specifically for that purpose.
Who in there right mind would cry about having more skills, utilizing more SP, and having the ability to swap talent trees from awaking to succession with the push of a button that is also a mobility attack.
Ok ok I will give in. I didnt want to have to do this but since there was this great outcry I will go ahead and add CC knockdown and super armor to all 4 of the new C-swaps.
Satisfied?
Well I am sure the majority does want changes like this or simmilar once they understand what is proposed and by the responses in this thread I can tell that you not only dont understand but dont even know what YOU want. You sound like BDO your first mmo. Should I not delete characters? Is leveling past 60 some kind of proof of mastery LOL
I am giving you four new ways to go into both awakening and succession. Removing NOT the skill but the autoswap portion and making it its own ATTACk, the fastest ATTACK in any kit.
I can tell you have no idea what you are talking about because the majority of the complains were "but muh protection, muh CC, muh power creep, its too much work for the devs". One of you actully cried about "Succ sucks anyway"
You are all in for a rude awaking because all of this IS being changed so why cry about it?
Autoswapping IS idiotic when its limited to three random moves in a talent tree. It is not idiotic when it is a standerdized move created specifically for that purpose.
Who in there right mind would cry about having more skills, utilizing more SP, and having the ability to swap talent trees from awaking to succession with the push of a button that is also a mobility attack.
Ok ok I will give in. I didnt want to have to do this but since there was this great outcry I will go ahead and add CC knockdown and super armor to all 4 of the new C-swaps.
Satisfied?
Seems like a case of git gud to me. We already have a BUTTON *C* that swaps skill trees and is protected on some classes. The autoswapping skill are created for the PURPOSE of SWAPPING.
I am giving you four new ways to go into both awakening and succession. Removing NOT the skill but the autoswap portion and making it its own ATTACk, the fastest ATTACK in any kit.
So, just to explain things (and pitch in wherever you want btw);
Witch has a swap into awakening, that can cancel many pre-awa skills, is a quick float CC, and can be FG using a core upgrade.
Witch has a swap into awakening, that is animation-locked SA + linger.
Witch can use most of her pre-awakening to swap into pre-awk.
Witch also has 4 types of C-swap:
W+C, FG linger
A/D+C, almost-instant swap for combos, unprotected
S+C, Teleport-swap
C, pepega-swap/gets you killed.
What would you plan to change about this?
Frankly I cant see how changing any of this would end up being beneficial for witch... Especially if you try to somehow get the entire kit on a single keybind set. We'd end up losing even more skills from our already moderately limited set.
Excellent, now I think Iunderstand why you are all so baffled by this simple concept.
First, I guess I should have stated it right from the start but I figured it was obvious;
Quickslots will remain unchanged. I am strictly speaking about key combination transitions.
Now to answer your question.
Are you ready...nothing...
except, dun dun dun, (and here is where you are going to cry) the first skill you mentioned which I beleive is Detonate w+f (forgive me if im wrong its been a little while since I mained Witch).
You see most of what I am proposing already exists in some way like you stated..
Witch also has 4 types of C-swap:
W+C, FG linger
A/D+C, almost-instant swap for combos, unprotected
S+C, Teleport-swap
C, pepega-swap/gets you killed.
I simply want this ^ standerdized for all classes and of course it will cancell most if not all skills, and just for the hell of it you can have your FG on it as well but instead of swapping from main it will swap from Succ and vice versa.
I hope this helps to clarify things a little more.