Your suggestion isn't hard to understand considering all it's saying is that playing the game with skills that puts you into pre-awakening from awakening is too hard for you to understand how to play with so you'd rather limit that to c rather than learning the game like you're telling everyone else to do. I doubt that you even believe yourself when you say a majority will want it considering that even a majority of this thread alone don't want it. While yes, your idea of integrating succ and awakening has merit and can be argued for, your idea of deleting autoswap has none.

I know what I want and it's definitely not whatever this stupid attempt at dumbing down the game so it's easier for you to play is. BDO too hard of a mmo to you so you gotta dumb it down to your usual games?

Leveling even to 60 doesn't mean anything, but it means something when you can't even achieve that lmao. 

Sure we can go with your hypothetical situation of deleting those character though I doubt it, you clearly have a bunch of classes that barely even got awakening, a huge majority of your account in fact, and yet you say you play every class lol

Awakening Sorceress, our playstyle kinda hinges on the ability to swap between stances a lot.  Probably one of the classes who does the most swapping between stances.  So having abilities that auto swap us to and from Awakening stance, is suuuuuper important.

Skills like Rabam Engulfing Shadow - this puts us into pre-awakening stance.  What it allows is for mobility, since, a lot of mobility is inpre-awaken, but our longest distance single-movement-ability is in Awakening.  So we need to be able to swap on demand, with multiple options.

Skills like C swap block linger.  We need that.  C swap animation cancelled Turn Back Slash.  We need that.  I remember the days before Rabam skills and the only way for us to swap from Awakening to pre-awakening was Midnight Stnger (lul), and afetr Rabam's released and Sorc had a Super Armor mini-dash that swapped her from Awaken > pre-awakening, the class shot up in tiers.  Can only speak on Sorc, we need the swaps we have.

Plus, it's super fun.

You seem very confused even at this point. Did you just read the first post and start commenting?

The fact that you think what we have now is harder and less limiting than what I proposed shows that yu have no understanding of this topic or the game itself.

Yes and this will add even more in exchange.

Specifically for Sorc you would lose one skill under Awak and one skill under Main in exchange for three plus the one we already have that can be used under any stance.

This game is like a nutella but with bad smell

Or you don't understand your own points and how it's dumbing down the game.

Your suggestions boils down to 2 main points- remove autoswapping and combine succ into awakening. 

Even disregarding the balancing issue this raises, you don't realize that combining succ and awakening can be done even without removing autoswapping and you're trying to disguise or even worse misunderstood yourself by thinking that it makes the game more complex because of the combination of succ and awakening when that can be done even without the removal of autoswapping, and honestly probably even exonerated by autoswapping. 

So at the end of the day all you have, the only argument available that is isn't pointless or defeats itself, is removing autoswapping to so you can use those slots for more skills which is not convincing whatsoever. Not only that, you create problems for your solution to try and justify this change- one example being the swap will become seamless so it's faster, forgetting to mention that the autoswapping skills themselves are most of the time seamless. 

The rest of your arguments defeat themselves or are pointless because anything you mention that a new system revolving around using c to transition already works with the current system. 

In your simplistic mind perhaps.

You sound like one of those people who thinks that Automatic transmission is better than manual transmission.

LOL is an automatic "too hard to understand"? Does manual "limit" your capabilites.

I get that learning to clutch is an extra step, and it will be harder than what you are used too, but trust me it makes things sooo much better.

You were the first reply with some snarky comment and no facts  or even a refrence to any skills or techniqe utalised in BDO even after 5 pages where your only argument is still "but its too much work for the devs to balance."

You are clearly trolling since you obviously didnt read even half the posts. Why are you still here? Hoping against hope that no one gets it.

Are you afraid you will have to learn more than one combo?

Learn to clutch rook.

Ideas aside, I'd rather have the devs complete their current class rework, continue balancing the classes, and give us more avenues for PvP across all GS, first.  And make sure it's done right and well.  Rather than diving into a whole new endeavor that could potentially piss off a lot of players.  We're already on edge with the class reworks, I've spoken to a few Warrior and Sorc mains about the rework and everyone I spoke to voiced to me that they think the rework will mess up our classes.

So before we consider something that could also potentially destroy a class' feel, mechanics, gameplay, let's worry about what they're currently working on, is my opinion.

That post is the first post I've made that even mentions balance even if I said to disregard, but go on about how my argument was always about balance when quite literally, I've said to ignore the issue. clearly I'm the one that only read half the posts when you can't even read one LOL

Notice that in this entire post you didn't make any arguments because you're out of them, nor do you even address that because you know I'm right. Not only that but you've dodged almost every single argument other people have made and rather just attacked them instead

Here's some examples

- Lock the skills "oh terrible design i bet you like fps exploit as well"

- autoswaps are more smooth "no its not try it yourself oh you did and its faster well it will change"

- How is this better than what we have "it will be trust me"

Also learn more than one combo? Not to mention adding skills won't create new combos, just add to them, it doesn't even make sense considering your entire idea will just boil down to adding c swap into your combo creating either an opening or unnecessary complexity that is not needed since your "solution" solves no problem. Unless of course you admit that you can't play the game at a higher level and comprehend using preawakening skills in your combo, so you want the game dumbed down to your level? Either works for me, just let me know which it is. 

"No Facts or reference to any skills" Didn't think I need to considering you still have yet to show how your solutions helps the at least 3 classes that are already mentioned here other than again, "it will be better" with no facts or references. Keep going on how I don't have facts or references when you have none yourself. Starting to sound like an antivaxxer here with not showing anything yourself while telling others to do their research when everything is already well documented. 

but since you care so much heres some- guardian has an entire protected movement rotation that begins in an autoswap skill that goes from awakening to preawakening, and ends with another autoswap back to awakening and is smooth. Considering that the class isn't going to change. and the other one is archer whose literal playstyle revolves around autoswaps. go ahead and dodge these like you always do.

Damn the fact you think one is better than the other speaks volume of why you think this suggestion is good (it's not). They both have pros and cons and there's a reason that manual is not seen in most cars being sold today, but that doesn't mean one is better than the other. You thinking manual is better shows that you're very opinionated and don't think of the big picture at all, similar to your entire suggestion.

You say I'm trolling yet you've dodged every single point made, while trying to disguise your idea as complex when in reality it's simple and meaningless while also dumbs down combat. You've lied about your credibility of playing every class while your profile shows the opposite. Whose the one that's trolling?

This is actually the point. We have no idea what they are actually doing and chances are half the population will be upset with the changes. For all we know they are implementing something simmilar to what I proposed; A standerdized swap mechanich with better fleshed out talent system.

NOW is the time to hold thier feet to the fire in order to minamize the inevitable.

Im sorry to have to tell you this but a someone who has been playing MMOS since 2003 I can guarantee that this day will never come.  In actuall fact Devs use imbalance to push cash shop sales with FOTM.

What I really want to know is based on my reply to you and what I have posted in this thread, would this change be something you would like to see at some point;

1: Succ to Awak swap and vice versa

2: The removal of at most two keystroke swaps (not quickslots) to be replaced with Five new C swaps.

Is this something you would be interested in if the devs had all the time in the world?