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Combat & Lifeskill Observation
Aug 30, 2021, 08:19 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 08:19 (UTC)
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Observation #1:

Lifeskill- tools,materials, gear- can be gotten, used and full advancements up to guru 50 on the regular server.

Advanced combat gear/weapons/experience are by  fighting higher level mobs on Elvia servers for drops/silver/etc. 

 

Observation #2:

Cost of top tier lifeskill gear/tools/materials is balanced to the silver/seals/etc. a lifeskiller can get through their grind of  lifeskilling

Cost of combat gear/weapons is balanced to the level of silver by mobs a combat player can grind on. Higher amounts of silver and higher gear drops means player goes to higher level combat areas-like Elvia.

 

Observation #3:

Players complaining about silver for lifeskilling is not equal to combat?

Does not need to be equal.

Top armor for combat-fallen god V- base market 282 billion.

Top clothing for lifeskill -manos cooking clothing V -base market 28.3 billion

Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 16:10 (UTC)
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On: Aug 30, 2021, 08:19 (UTC), Written by Rebelhawk

Top clothing for lifeskill -manos cooking clothing V -base market 28.3 billion

1. Comparing fallen to manos it's stupid. Manos = boss gear. So manos costs more.

2. Manos clothes don't use FS and Crones. 

Conclusion: their price is underestimated because you can try up to 1000 times and never get a pen and nothing will ever increase your chances of getting it.

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Zandek
Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 19:02 (UTC)
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Écrit le : 30 août 2021, 16:09 (UTC), par : Senemedar

1. Comparing fallen to manos it's stupid. Manos = boss gear. So manos costs more.

2. Manos clothes don't use FS and Crones. 

Conclusion: their price is underestimated because you can try up to 1000 times and never get a pen and nothing will ever increase your chances of getting it.

Except that's not how probability science works and that's not how prices are determined.

 

Gear has a fixed upgrade chance, which means there is an average cost than can be computed.

 

Logically, gear prices are determined by said average cost.

 

The 'up to x times' is called an exception, more specifically a variation in the pattern fixed by law of average and has nothing to do with reasonably establish an economy or any intelligent conversation, but everything to do with dramatically trying to impress ignorants.

Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 19:16 (UTC)
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On: Aug 30, 2021, 19:02 (UTC), Written by Smileybones

Except that's not how probability science works and that's not how prices are determined.

 

Gear has a fixed upgrade chance, which means there is an average cost than can be computed.

 

Logically, gear prices are determined by said average cost.

 

The 'up to x times' is called an exception, more specifically a variation in the pattern fixed by law of average and has nothing to do with reasonably establish an economy or any intelligent conversation, but everything to do with dramatically trying to impress ignorants.

Don't bother, I don't read your bulls.

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Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 19:29 (UTC)
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Écrit le : 30 août 2021, 19:16 (UTC), par : Senemedar

Don't bother, I don't read your bulls.

In other words, you have nothing to retort to my factual points, gotcha.

Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 22:08 (UTC)
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On: Aug 30, 2021, 16:09 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

1. Comparing fallen to manos it's stupid. Manos = boss gear. So manos costs more.

2. Manos clothes don't use FS and Crones. 

Conclusion: their price is underestimated because you can try up to 1000 times and never get a pen and nothing will ever increase your chances of getting it.

Difficulty of getting any gear to pen and its costs/success/failures are a totally different topic.

 

And that does not change the basic silver values that are listed on market for the price of the highest pen gear of combat verus highest pen clothing of lifeskill.

 

Observation #3:

Players complaining about silver for lifeskilling is not equal to combat?

Does not need to be equal.

Top armor for combat-fallen god V- base market 282 billion.

Top clothing for lifeskill -manos cooking clothing V -base market 28.3 billion

 

 

 

 

 

Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 22:18 (UTC)
# 7
On: Aug 30, 2021, 08:19 (UTC), Written by Rebelhawk

Observation #3:

Players complaining about silver for lifeskilling is not equal to combat?

Does not need to be equal.

Top armor for combat-fallen god V- base market 282 billion.

Top clothing for lifeskill -manos cooking clothing V -base market 28.3 billion

You dont NEED PEN Fallen god to make 600m/h.

This is a false equivelancy. 

 

Try harder next time.

Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 22:24 (UTC)
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Écrit le : 30 août 2021, 22:18 (UTC), par : Ancient

You dont NEED PEN Fallen god to make 600m/h.

This is a false equivelancy. 

 

Try harder next time.

> mentions an income of 600m/h

> manages to talk about trying hard

 

Regardless of the need of PEN Fallen God or not, the point of OP remains.

Last Edit : Aug 30, 2021, 23:12 (UTC)
# 9
On: Aug 30, 2021, 22:24 (UTC), Written by Smileybones

> mentions an income of 600m/h

> manages to talk about trying hard

 

Regardless of the need of PEN Fallen God or not, the point of OP remains.

It does not. You have not substantiated your point at all.

Last Edit : Aug 31, 2021, 02:59 (UTC)
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you can start make 300m/h with full pen tuvala 250 ap.


While you can spend 500 billion on hunting and manos jewel. you will still be stuck at 120-160m/h hunting.

i spened over 80 million just trying to get 1 Tet manos accessory and over 50 billion trying to make my PEN hunting outfit.

Market price dont reflect anykind of reality. OP you are extremly bias.  AP gear is literaly free. profit from grinding since elvia as been increased by 3 to 5 time. and this without more demanding AP.

Lifeskill gear is unrewarding and factually extremely more expensive to make. Iregret every billion spend on lifeskill gear.
Cause i know that its will not be buff before a years or 2.

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