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Combat & Lifeskill Observation
Aug 30, 2021, 08:19 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Aug 31, 2021, 03:48 (UTC)
# 11
On: Aug 31, 2021, 02:26 (UTC), Written by Catastigma

you can start make 300m/h with full pen tuvala 250 ap.


While you can spend 500 billion on hunting and manos jewel. you will still be stuck at 120-160m/h hunting.

i spened over 80 million just trying to get 1 Tet manos accessory and over 50 billion trying to make my PEN hunting outfit.

Market price dont reflect anykind of reality. OP you are extremly bias.  AP gear is literaly free. profit from grinding since elvia as been increased by 3 to 5 time. and this without more demanding AP.

Lifeskill gear is unrewarding and factually extremely more expensive to make. Iregret every billion spend on lifeskill gear.
Cause i know that its will not be buff before a years or 2.

The topic is not about the effort/failure/success/cost of attempting to enchant any gear at all.

 

 

Last Edit : Aug 31, 2021, 03:52 (UTC)
# 12

Lifeskilling does require 2 out of three cash shop buffs for max gains. Three if you'd like to advance at a reasonable rate. Grinding, you can get by with a loyalty VP. Not saying it should be equal but it could be better. Having a tent is also helpful but at least it is helpful for both activities. 

Last Edit : Aug 31, 2021, 13:02 (UTC)
# 13
On: Aug 31, 2021, 03:51 (UTC), Written by IGotNoPearls

Lifeskilling does require 2 out of three cash shop buffs for max gains. Three if you'd like to advance at a reasonable rate. Grinding, you can get by with a loyalty VP. Not saying it should be equal but it could be better. Having a tent is also helpful but at least it is helpful for both activities. 

Loyalty VP is 2800 loyalty for one day. That's not even close to sustainable.  That's 2 weeks of loyalty to grind one day...the part of that one day when you can actually find and keep a max level grind rotation...which can be like 5 minutes before DFS or just outright mob feeding.  That's not even mentioning that the only ways a value pack increases your silver grinding is the 200LT and daily blue loot scroll.  The only part of that that doesn't benefit lifeskilling is the blue loot scroll, and mastery covers that part.  You burn your entire agris load in an hour on elvia orcs and you only gain 1/5 of that 1 hour of agris back per day.  This whole lifeskiller complaint about combat griding profits is full of misinformation and hyperbole...and outright ignoring every basic detail.  That 600m/h is the exception not the rule.  That's like 1% of the playerbase with top gear who deletes anyone else that approaches the grind spot without skipping a beat.  That's also probably literally for that one hour of agris, for that one day before having to wait 5 days for agris to recharge.  Meanwhile, lifeskillers are making steady profits as many hours of the day as they want to lifeskill...as many consecutive days as they want...without having to wait on anything or fight anyone off...no one getting your crystals broken via mob feeding (up to a 300m loss for a single crystal)...or switch any channels looking for a spot. 

Last Edit : Aug 31, 2021, 13:47 (UTC)
# 14

You can pick and choose points sure, but once the energy is up, income drops, which means the income is not steady. When you are out grinding all day, you can unload your trash loot at will,  post up your drops and wait for em to sell before buying a day VP to dodge tax.Obv. Loot scrolls are important, but the game rains loot scrolls down in comparison to kama buffs and VPs.  Lifeskilling needs access to the MP more than bi monthly to offload stuff. (One size fits all does not apply to all lifeskill activities)

It needs a boost any way you look at it, even if it's increasing the energy Regen rate. 

 

 

Last Edit : Aug 31, 2021, 17:07 (UTC)
# 15
On: Aug 31, 2021, 12:58 (UTC), Written by ODB3698

Loyalty VP is 2800 loyalty for one day. That's not even close to sustainable.  That's 2 weeks of loyalty to grind one day...the part of that one day when you can actually find and keep a max level grind rotation...which can be like 5 minutes before DFS or just outright mob feeding.  That's not even mentioning that the only ways a value pack increases your silver grinding is the 200LT and daily blue loot scroll.  The only part of that that doesn't benefit lifeskilling is the blue loot scroll, and mastery covers that part.  You burn your entire agris load in an hour on elvia orcs and you only gain 1/5 of that 1 hour of agris back per day.  This whole lifeskiller complaint about combat griding profits is full of misinformation and hyperbole...and outright ignoring every basic detail.  That 600m/h is the exception not the rule.  That's like 1% of the playerbase with top gear who deletes anyone else that approaches the grind spot without skipping a beat.  That's also probably literally for that one hour of agris, for that one day before having to wait 5 days for agris to recharge.  Meanwhile, lifeskillers are making steady profits as many hours of the day as they want to lifeskill...as many consecutive days as they want...without having to wait on anything or fight anyone off...no one getting your crystals broken via mob feeding (up to a 300m loss for a single crystal)...or switch any channels looking for a spot. 

I cant tell if youre joking or not.

 

You dont need to maintain a value pack the *entire* time...

Trash loot doesn't get taxed. 

The rest you save up until you're ready to sell, list everything, wait til it all sell, activate the value pack and collect. Boom.

 

I know multiple people who do very well for themselves with 1d value packs and mp VPs

 

Also, you seem to be under the delusion that lifeskillers dont ALSO need value packs.... For some reason... Arguably, lifeskillers need them more often than grinders do.

 

600m/h is excessive I'll agree.

But 294 kutum succ ranger isn't all that hard to get and can get you somewhere between 400-500mph at Orcs. And thats no Agris. And thats like top 25% of the player base, so your argument there is null.

 

Saying lifeskillers make "steady money" tells me you dont know much about lifeskilling, sorry to say.

 

Talk about misinformation and hyperbole...

 

Last Edit : Sep 1, 2021, 02:34 (UTC)
# 16
On: Aug 31, 2021, 16:57 (UTC), Written by Ancient

I cant tell if youre joking or not.

 

You dont need to maintain a value pack the *entire* time...

Trash loot doesn't get taxed. 

The rest you save up until you're ready to sell, list everything, wait til it all sell, activate the value pack and collect. Boom.

 

I know multiple people who do very well for themselves with 1d value packs and mp VPs

 

Also, you seem to be under the delusion that lifeskillers dont ALSO need value packs.... For some reason... Arguably, lifeskillers need them more often than grinders do.

 

600m/h is excessive I'll agree.

But 294 kutum succ ranger isn't all that hard to get and can get you somewhere between 400-500mph at Orcs. And thats no Agris. And thats like top 25% of the player base, so your argument there is null.

 

Saying lifeskillers make "steady money" tells me you dont know much about lifeskilling, sorry to say.

 

Talk about misinformation and hyperbole...

 

Half of your post is arguing with an imaginary person.  I'm not under any delusion about lifeskillers not benefitting from value packs. I literally said "The only part of that that doesn't benefit lifeskilling is the blue loot scroll"...in relation to lifeskillers with value packs.  That's reading comprehension...not any delusion on my part.  This argument has been primarily focused on combat grinders on elvia orcs, so of course I have been struggling to understand how value packs are really a factor in this discussion to begin with, as elvia orcs don't actually have much in the way of drops to sell on the mp.  They have yellow bmcs, traces of savagery, and standard black stones as items that can be sold on the mp.  The yellow bmcs are primarily getting melted for magical shards...which also cannot be sold on the mp.  This pretty much makes this whole discussion about value packs a dead end. 

 

Saying 294 kutum is not hard to get is like saying a full set of max level manos lifeskill gear isn't hard to get...that's extremely disingenuous considering the majority of the player base does not have that.  Saying a number like 25% of the player base having that, is literally agreeing that the majority of the player base does not have that...which is directly contradicting your assertion that it isn't hard to get.  It is also contradicting your assertion that my argument is null.  That's even if that 25% number isn't convenient fiction and assuming that 400-500 m/h isn't also convenient fiction.  I can see it being possible though...as that's nearly 300 AP...and as such, not something that's easy or quick to get without lots of swiping. 

 

You are correct though, about me not knowing much about lifeskilling. I don't claim to. I just know the basics as I don't really enjoy it and therefore don't participate much in it. 

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