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Corsair awakening rant
Sep 2, 2021, 13:07 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Sep 2, 2021, 13:07 (UTC)
# 1

So I've been playing Corsair awakening ever since it launched. I got hyped since it was the first class that was closest to gunner we're going to get in BDO.

The first week was okay, skills hit nice. The class didn't flow that well, but it's to expect from a new release.  After that, there were some improvements regarding how the class flows, but it's still kind of garbage. Skills take way too long to cast with animations that lock you into place after the skill cast. Just a awesome opportunity for classes like nova awake, lahn, sage, warrior, ninja etc. to just make children to you while you look dump-stocked at what's happening. After the split damage has been added to Cap'n's orders, the drop an anchor to explode players aspect of the class was lost. Crow's mark cd increase also didn't help as now you feel like you're not doing anything if you don't go full monkey into the team. The aspect of the class is a range poke class has been nerfed as well. The otter adds that spawn while you cast skills are dumb and useless as well, the only thing they're good for is getting kills on low HP players after you die.

PVE aspect of the class also shocks me as to how mediocre it is, it's not tamer to be understood but it's really slow due to cast times and mid to low level damage from abilities. I find myself going to pre-awakening so much more than I did playing valk awakening as the damage simply isn't there.

So PA please consider removing split damage from cap'n's orders or reducing crow's marks cd. I used to see a lot of awakening corsairs at launch, naturally players trying out the class. I would say maybe 20% of the people stuck with the class since they tried it out, while for example, sages release it was a sausage fest in red battlefield. Yes, sage is overturned and is in the process of being nerfed. I would say Corsair awakening is below mediocre and I'm really disappointed with what you did with the class, especially as it has such a cool aesthetic.

Maybe I'm just dogshit idk, what do you guys think?

Last Edit : Sep 2, 2021, 16:34 (UTC)
# 2

I can't speak for her PVE but that class is already busted with her 15 seconds of iframe/damage dealing and ranged dps in pvp. She can already survive and deal decent damage in group pvp so she shouldn't be able to nuke more than she already does. Her single target dps is pretty crazy. I would argue her casting times are fine but I play succ sage and he probably has the slowest in the game so everything is fast compared to me.

 

Last Edit : Sep 2, 2021, 16:58 (UTC)
# 3

Yeah she needs nerf. Way too much iframe and protections, while also having damage and shieldbreak aswell.

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Lv 62
Hnnie
Last Edit : Sep 2, 2021, 19:03 (UTC)
# 4

I do agree the mermaid skills are too strong. But awakening is pretty lackluster. I think the preawakening kit could use a few nerfs, but the awakening needs more polish/buffs.

Last Edit : Sep 2, 2021, 22:50 (UTC)
# 5
On: Sep 2, 2021, 16:58 (UTC), Written by PlasticDK

Yeah she needs nerf. Way too much iframe and protections, while also having damage and shieldbreak aswell.

this topic is about AWAKENING not succession. 
awakening does not have the block gauge debuff as it is a succession only passive. (except 200% but who cares about that anyway)
and omg imagine giving a class dmg.... pls dont give any class dmg except yours right. you seem to play dk so get out of here. dk does insane dmg too.

On: Sep 2, 2021, 16:34 (UTC), Written by Blackshark

I can't speak for her PVE but that class is already busted with her 15 seconds of iframe/damage dealing and ranged dps in pvp. She can already survive and deal decent damage in group pvp so she shouldn't be able to nuke more than she already does. Her single target dps is pretty crazy. I would argue her casting times are fine but I play succ sage and he probably has the slowest in the game so everything is fast compared to me.

 

^ i wouldnt call her sage/nova busted. shes perfectly fine the way she is. id even take some minor nerfs to keep her away from fotm rerollers

On: Sep 2, 2021, 13:07 (UTC), Written by Vulex

So I've been playing Corsair awakening ever since it launched. I got hyped since it was the first class that was closest to gunner we're going to get in BDO.

The first week was okay, skills hit nice. The class didn't flow that well, but it's to expect from a new release.  After that, there were some improvements regarding how the class flows, but it's still kind of garbage. Skills take way too long to cast with animations that lock you into place after the skill cast. Just a awesome opportunity for classes like nova awake, lahn, sage, warrior, ninja etc. to just make children to you while you look dump-stocked at what's happening. After the split damage has been added to Cap'n's orders, the drop an anchor to explode players aspect of the class was lost. Crow's mark cd increase also didn't help as now you feel like you're not doing anything if you don't go full monkey into the team. The aspect of the class is a range poke class has been nerfed as well. The otter adds that spawn while you cast skills are dumb and useless as well, the only thing they're good for is getting kills on low HP players after you die.

PVE aspect of the class also shocks me as to how mediocre it is, it's not tamer to be understood but it's really slow due to cast times and mid to low level damage from abilities. I find myself going to pre-awakening so much more than I did playing valk awakening as the damage simply isn't there.

So PA please consider removing split damage from cap'n's orders or reducing crow's marks cd. I used to see a lot of awakening corsairs at launch, naturally players trying out the class. I would say maybe 20% of the people stuck with the class since they tried it out, while for example, sages release it was a sausage fest in red battlefield. Yes, sage is overturned and is in the process of being nerfed. I would say Corsair awakening is below mediocre and I'm really disappointed with what you did with the class, especially as it has such a cool aesthetic.

Maybe I'm just dogshit idk, what do you guys think?

One little remark before i start my text. they nerfed wind piercer (now crows mark) from 4 to 6 seconds. as it was pretty strong. low cd ranged kd that is protected until you actually shoot. pretty busted if you ask me. 

Lemme tell you i wouldve agreed with you on release of awak. 
First of all i thought she would keep the block gauge debuff on a few pre awa skills at least. as i thought having red that some skills apply it by itself not needing the passive from succ. i was wrong, that was the first time i was disappointed. (tho i must say that debuff is busted and should be reduced to 5s at most and only reduce the block gauge regen, not completly stop it)
S+lmb and S+Rmb looked almost the same just like the autos so was already annoyed by that too felt abit cheap. did rbfs and all, got disappointed again. 

Demotivated i dropped her for the day. Thinking i should just grind abit on her. As i did with guardian before to learn the class and skills abit more. Im Awa valkmain at heart since launch of the game. It made me figure out so many small niche details and tricks on her that alot of people probably didnt even know existed even years after awa release. best example was Purifaction heal. noone knew how it worked for a long time. i only figured it out cause i was confused as heck cause when i was grinding with a friend he would constantly get random bursts of heals. until i put 1+1 together and started to understand the weird description the skill used to have. thats just one of many things PvE taught me

tldr try some pve first to get a basic feeling for skills. Just dont turn off your brain during PvE. you might miss a cancel you havent figured out yet. or other interaction between certain skills. some things only get figured out years after the release of a class. 

so anyway after my rocky balboa training montage i gave pvp another go. inbetween there were a couple qol changes but nothing major. 
but we still didnt had bons, bsrs, and rabams.
the 3rd rabam gave her a huge increase in survivability
bons gave her at least 2 really strong awak cc's.
and bsr i only found the 10% to be strong as it can hit as an air attack and deal quiet alot of dmg. the others are meh so far, the 25% would be better if it gave abit more dmg and not just buffs which are nice because she doesnt have att speed buffs except add ons but still not all that great. might aswell absorb rage. 

since i was used to melee and didnt wanted to just be a ranged cunt i also tried to go melee way to much. so trying to practice my positioning and actually abusing her range was one of the first things i had to get used to before going balls deep again. 
then another mistake i did was to not use the lmb flow earth renderer. just added some good extra dmg. just have to be carefull because it has a ds. and can screw your kd from wind piercer. reading through all your skills multiple times helps.

So i got some pvp practice in. and we just recently started doing some t1 nw's again. felt abit weird cause im used to the whole oneshot meta for years now, also felt weird that my 680 gs ment almost nothing there. 
but i started to get the hang of it. 
i started to like her more and more
coming from valk which just gets cc'd so easily in groupfights at times it was a nice change to have crazy protection and decent amount of iframes to dodge all kinds of grabs or simply get out of the fight and not take dmg or be stuck in the fight with a broken block and hitstun on every shieldchase making you move 1meter in 4 dashes. and eventually getting you killed. 

i tried both classes during the nw's. i did fine on both ofc as valk isnt a bad class by any means. but just has so many flaws aswell. 
so the last NW's ive only been playing corsair. and its been going better and better. last NW was vs one of the better t1 guilds and after those went out we had a 3v3 
no guild died so it got liberated. went out with the most kills at 68 and 13 deaths of which a good amount couldve been prevented if i played just abit better. and couldve been even more kills. but cant just play for kills when there are objectives too. 
the other corsair we got is doing good in terms of kills. but he still dies alot more than i do double my deaths in that mentioned NW. 
And i didnt just stay on ranged the entire time. as soon as all my ranged stuff was on cd i usually went balls deep to distract, cc and try to kill people in the backline.

SO my verdict on corsair? 
- Decent dmg, not uber busted like other classes. but fair considering shes still partially ranged.
- good cc's. depending on the bon you can be stronger in skirmishes or 1v1 with Sea mist(also not bad for group fights ofc). and if you want another good ranged cc take Sun-Shielder. follow it up with the shift rmb kd. gets you lots of ccs. then throw an anchor after that for good measure. Sun shielder does put you back a few steps so shift rmb might not hit anymore. so i often use W+rmb first. but should still be fast enough to get the kd through before they get out of the stiffen. 
- Survivability is really good. you can stall out insane amounts of times. so many times i would just kite multiple people until my party arrives. 
- She seems to have good tankyness aswell, no class yet could onecombo me in t1's  alone. only one that got close was tamer. even at later stages of the nw when i dropped to 3k and below. slap a whale pot in there and i still survived alot. 
- Do not forget, her pre awa 100% is a beast of a heal, even tho it is risky for yourself it can be a game changer, then her mist adds buffs to allies. with e buff more than just 2 skills can create mist. and the mist will also heal 100hp per second if they stay in it during e buff. 

in my eyes shes fine. has couple weaknesses vs some classes but every class has this. and considering shes a ranged class her 1v1 really isnt that bad as some people think especially with sea mist bon which is insanenly good vs FG's. i even find lots of uses for her grab. not as much as i did on valk but still not to be underestimated.
her Pve isnt the best yes. but alot of classes are shit in pve and needs adjustment. but i already make more trash on all spots than my valk by alot. so cant be worse than that at least. hystria on old main my valk makes 6.3. on corsair i almost hit 7k (yellow ls). just proves my point that some classes have it even worse in PvE. 

(sorry if you have to manually copy paste em. dont have time to make em all into clickable links lul)
NW
https://streamable.com/v87wjw
https://streamable.com/z666io
https://streamable.com/mu3tkz
https://streamable.com/6zelsl
https://streamable.com/kpjdns

OW
https://streamable.com/xikpil
https://streamable.com/t3a5uk (play with sound on for a good laugh)
https://streamable.com/7yt8kq
https://streamable.com/7mg0x5
https://streamable.com/trhr54

ive got more but i think it got some good examples of what the class is capable of. 
again im 680Gs, so on 1-2 clips i probably hard outgear them but still. its also good to see how strong gear can make her. also this is ''only'' 297 AP with kutum. still missing 2 good brackets at 301 and 305 which you could easily get with a nouver. 
i love the class now. feels good and smooth. a few skills could need some qol changes to be a bit more fluent like Jet Stream for example. 
in succession it has a key combo(Shift+C) which lets u use it whenever. in awak it has to be used off a quickslot which makes it way more clunky. 
anyway i hope this helps a bit. and i also hope the dont overtune her as much as they did on sage and nova because it just ends up in a nerf that is gonna make her worse than the buffs would make her better. shes more than fine. just requires abit of work at first. its not guardian afterall. 

Last Edit : Sep 3, 2021, 08:52 (UTC)
# 6

succession corsair needs nerfs. awakening seems better in line with other classes. altho some other classes can only dream of that protected movement.

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Seeryus
Last Edit : Sep 4, 2021, 23:24 (UTC)
# 7
On: Sep 2, 2021, 16:58 (UTC), Written by PlasticDK

Yeah she needs nerf. Way too much iframe and protections, while also having damage and shieldbreak aswell.

Only succession has guard break but succession's pve is garbage so nobody plays that spec, and also the topic is about awakening spec. That being said, yeah awakening spec is very slick with her protection. At least her grab is not that good or esle she would have been a much bigger problem in PvP.

Last Edit : Sep 7, 2021, 05:18 (UTC)
# 8
On: Sep 2, 2021, 22:32 (UTC), Written by Legacina

SO my verdict on corsair? 
- Decent dmg, not uber busted like other classes. but fair considering shes still partially ranged.
- good cc's. depending on the bon you can be stronger in skirmishes or 1v1 with Sea mist(also not bad for group fights ofc). and if you want another good ranged cc take Sun-Shielder. follow it up with the shift rmb kd. gets you lots of ccs. then throw an anchor after that for good measure. Sun shielder does put you back a few steps so shift rmb might not hit anymore. so i often use W+rmb first. but should still be fast enough to get the kd through before they get out of the stiffen. 
- Survivability is really good. you can stall out insane amounts of times. so many times i would just kite multiple people until my party arrives. 
- She seems to have good tankyness aswell, no class yet could onecombo me in t1's  alone. only one that got close was tamer. even at later stages of the nw when i dropped to 3k and below. slap a whale pot in there and i still survived alot. 
- Do not forget, her pre awa 100% is a beast of a heal, even tho it is risky for yourself it can be a game changer, then her mist adds buffs to allies. with e buff more than just 2 skills can create mist. and the mist will also heal 100hp per second if they stay in it during e buff. 

in my eyes shes fine. has couple weaknesses vs some classes but every class has this. and considering shes a ranged class her 1v1 really isnt that bad as some people think especially with sea mist bon which is insanenly good vs FG's. i even find lots of uses for her grab. not as much as i did on valk but still not to be underestimated.
her Pve isnt the best yes. but alot of classes are shit in pve and needs adjustment. but i already make more trash on all spots than my valk by alot. so cant be worse than that at least. hystria on old main my valk makes 6.3. on corsair i almost hit 7k (yellow ls). just proves my point that some classes have it even worse in PvE. 

(sorry if you have to manually copy paste em. dont have time to make em all into clickable links lul)
NW
https://streamable.com/v87wjw
https://streamable.com/z666io
https://streamable.com/mu3tkz
https://streamable.com/6zelsl
https://streamable.com/kpjdns

OW
https://streamable.com/xikpil
https://streamable.com/t3a5uk (play with sound on for a good laugh)
https://streamable.com/7yt8kq
https://streamable.com/7mg0x5
https://streamable.com/trhr54

Thanks for this, nice video btw. It's hard for me to pick up a new class, but I've been doing better in RBFs recently. Not completely sure what I'm doing differently, but I do seem to die a lot less.

Last Edit : Sep 14, 2021, 10:33 (UTC)
# 9

Remove mermaid skills nerf gunning abillities by half remove iframe and she will be fine

Last Edit : Sep 14, 2021, 12:24 (UTC)
# 10
On: Sep 14, 2021, 10:33 (UTC), Written by Emila

Remove mermaid skills nerf gunning abillities by half remove iframe and she will be fine

I have a better idea. Delete your own post, because it basically sais: "Remove class identity". Therefore it's just filled with garbage.

 

As to the topic, In my opinion we should just wait for the last class rework to come, before speaking what should be and what shouldn't be changed. I personally don't have problems with Awa, when it comes to PvE. Smooth mobility, good clear speed, good PvE damage. Never tried her in PvP, so I can't say anything in that part. Comparing it with succession, Awa is better in PvE.

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