This has always been a problem with BDO's gear system. 

When you upgrade your gear there is no "transitional" or "reward" content to do with it.

- You immediately are bumped out of the content you were grinding to new content where your gear is at the low end of that new spectrum. 

- This bump is due to necessity. The next content is just accessible 'enough' that it becomes too good not to do, but too painful to do well or happily.

e.g. To upgrade your gear is to infact feel that you have been downgraded. 

You get access to new content. Sure.

But, it feels like this:"I've upgraded my gear only to discover it has downgrade my Damage or has downgrade Defense." Usually it feels as though both suffered a downgrade.

Essentially, you are always in a state of ever increasing "let down".

- This feeling compound with time.

It's not merely disasistfaction. You're always let down by any upgrade you obtain.

- The better your gear the longer and more significant the feeling of let down.

This sense of compounding misery and disastifaction is hardened by the fact it is REAL.

- You actually do need that be function in the content you're heading into. 

- However, once you reach a point of "equalibrium" or "equivellent" gear score to the content you're facing you'll be bumped out of it, downgraded to the next lowest tier of gear for the next rung of content, and be left feeling that you've not only failed to achieve anything, but have a longer time you're going to need to grind again to get back to where you where.

There is only just so much of this bait and switch people can tolerate. 

Early game this situations is almost exciting.

- It also matters less

- This is because the time it takes for you to pass from the "desperate" to "capable" phase after reaching some new area is fairly short.

- Further, upgrades are signitifcant and therefore satisfying. 

The significance comes from the fact that you can often geographically change location as well as creature type from an upgrade earlier on.

- In late game getting an upgrade often means being forced to do content again you've already done for several YEARS 

- And, you're being acted to do that content again for several MORE YEARS

Only then will you be able to access "current" content with any sense that your gear is living up to the demands against you.

In summary, 

a. Once you hit "old pen" gear

b. and are not yet in Fallen God, Full PEN Accessories, and have PEN Blackstars

c. you're just effectively grinding they the worst possible experience imaginable

This because you actually are in the worst gear you can have.

And you're going to be in that gear at least a year.

One year of the worse experience imaginable. 

All this because BDO's has ZERO content where the gear you upgraded to is actually top tier AP and DP for awhile ONCE YOU GET IT

- no "extended" or "transitional" content has been reached

- you are downgraded as a result of upgrading

- bait and switch

- this, instead of getting to feel like your upgrades accomplished anything

There is never any content where you can "feel" that progress.

Nor is there any content like that which also is giving some bonus rewards in loot and exp towards the content you're working towards.

Shultz did that. I guess it was a fluke though or a mistake because that's gone now.

The loot wasn't amazing. Just 90 million an hour at 280 ap, but you were getting NEAR Mirumoks EXP without having to get carpal tunnel surgery by the time you reached your next level. You could log in, grind for an hour, log off and feel somea certainty you were making constructive progress.

Now? Now we have ZERO transitional content.

We are back grinding large-Mirumoks levels of tankiness from basic enemies.

But most of all, your gear has been effectively made "just barely capable" once more.

- you've got pens, congrats, but until you've hit FULL PEN you might as well have stayed at TET. 

- there's no fun to be had getting to FULL PEN because all you are doing to get there is giving yourself carpal tunnel while you WAIT to get the money you need to upgrade

There's absolutely no excuse for this, frankly. It's malicious at worst and contempuous of other people at best. 

- And no, there's no point putting this in the feedback section. Anyone could realize this after a month or two.

- Either the devs are aware of this and did it deliberately anway or they aren't playing their own game.

Conclusion:

Early-to-Mid game BDO is an exercise is misery. 

There's no fun in it what so ever. 

Devs, if you ever happen to make content again please stop making content that makes our gear feel more worthless every upgrade we get. It'd be a real big improvement to the overall satisfaction and joy people get out of BDO. 

I also think the way to get pen and Bis gear is bad developed...

Just one example- you need to have at least full pen and Tet accessories to even able to grind Turo- why do you grind Turo? Yes for fallen God armor which is BIS for no further contend (at least for PVE)...

So said you already need nearly top gear to be even able to grind the last even  slightly better gear- and after that there is no contend to use it for. So for what especially? Turo and those other golems still can one hit you (class dependend) no matter which gear, or you don't specially need that stuff.
Isn't it originally the case you shall get top gear to be able to go to higher spots?


It's half the same for same for blackstar stuff- just those you can get without grinding at top gear spots.
Also especially as black star was freshly released, if someone finally got Tet and Pen, suddenly the much more expensive and much more effort taking blackstar stuff got patched in which only adding a few stats to monster damage reduction or tiny bit more monster damage.
So what do you think the most poeple did? Exactly, they said starting at point 0 again for more effort, time or silver? No way. Staying at usual boss stuff...

About this fcn rng upgrading we don't need to talk.. if the game sais "No you don't" you can even play for 3 years and still don't have Tets/Pens, well asside of some events or things like the garanteed pen acce which you can upgrade of the powder and else.
I can tell you, most of them just bought their blackstar stuff afterwards.
Also that's why I'm the only one left playinng BDO between 3 other friends I started with. Especially 4/5 years ago where upgrading was much more difficult. They all left after less than a year- except for one, he endured nearly 2 years. The nowadays more easy way was too late for them.


If counting for PVP it's soooo extremely broken anyway...
Besides some classes just can nuke everyone away or having so much more advantages over other ones (like range grab), all those other things like high fps- thanks to fidelity   everyone can use 300fps now even on wodden PCs or without getting eye cancer on low settings now, and class basic stats.

Yea enhancing is pretty shit ngl. Its also extra shitty since its the main form of progression. It's basically a turd sandwich. 

But that's most progression based games in general? I really don't get how upgrading gear to farm at another place at the same pace is a bad thing when that's the norm for most farming simulator games for the past 2 decades.

While the state of the enhancement system can be talked about, the core main point of your argument actually just makes no sense. It's not BDO's gearing system, it's virtually any progression based games and if you find that to be a problem maybe this sort of game just isn't for you 

Enchant fail - no problem.

But degradation or even disappearance end game item? It's just sick. Not only that we lose a year (for example) of our playing, but we are also moving backwards in our progress.

Witch 3% chance in BDO you can NEVER obtain best items in game and ... 99% BDO players don't have these items. This makes it useless to continue adding new content with higher requirements because 99% of players are standing and will be standing on TETs.

You can buy vendor crons and get an average cost of a pen. 23 attempts(130stack) = 20bill. or grind 20bill and buy a pen (which is what i did)

The problem is imo when you are full pen armors weapons with tet accs distos and you need to go for pen ogre ring etc. It takes months of grinding only to upgrade one item and it's pretty boring to grind. Still i'm at 305ap with a nouver even without pen accs so it's still kinda endgame viable but not in any terms end end game gear.

I'd like to see more and different content to make money that give you abit a change of scenery as opposed to grinding the same rotation and circle over n over for hundreds of hours.

Maybe questing for money/gold bars, survival mode type content, hourly quests for random grind zones, (grind catfishmen for 1hour be rewarded with a 100mill gold bar) more unique drop and loot tables similar to path of exile and diablo to make grinding more exciting, a small small small chance to obtain a garmoth/vell heart type of valueable item while grinding, even if abysmal just knowing you have the chance for rare unique and cool drops makes it more exciting.

Also ingame leaderboards for different things would be fun like fastest 1000 blood wolves kills leaderboards, fastest time on horse from grana - velia etc etc.

"Also ingame leaderboards for different things would be fun like fastest 1000 blood wolves kills leaderboards, fastest time on horse from grana - velia etc etc."

For example personally i wouldn't care so much about being on the global leaderboards but trying to beat my own time while grinding at any grindspot trying to get a faster 1000 kills time would be motivating and fun while grinding like you have another goal and objective rather than just making money. 

Things like that would make the grind more fun and exicting challenging.

Also it would naturally give you a sense of satisfaction when you progressed and upgraded you gear if you are able to beat your kill time on 1000 mobs at X grindspot if this was a inbuilt timer and system that always was active everytime you killed mobs, and if you happen to just randomly kill 1000 mobs at a faster time you get a popup and can view your Information page, scroll down to whatever grindspot and witness your new record time.

How fun would it be to finally upgrade that piece of gear and then going around trying to beat your own times etc, i know peopel already do this to an extent with trash loot, but it would be more fun with a inbuilt system based on time or similar.

130fs (4.2%)+ vendor crons (2mill):

The avarage attempt is 24.(23.8)

Dim Tree Spirit's Armor:

TET cost: 1.8B

493 cron 493*2m + 2.1m per click =988.1m

And one fail costs: 10*2.6m = 26m

So total cost is:

1810+988.1*23.8+22.8*26 = 25919m + the cost of fs which let's say 1B, so a total of ~27B to enchance it.

Not worth to enchance with vendor crons. The PEN goes for less than 20B on EU

It's much worse for weapons.

BS cron is a noob trap/scam. Only people who are uneducated use them.

If it would be profitable to use them, everyone would do that and noone would buy the outfits to melt.