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#Suggestions
[Intro-Tutorial] New-player friendly - Implement a fullscreen intro for basic HUD/UI, Settings, Gameplay explanations and more..
Sep 6, 2021, 10:36 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 13:31 (UTC)
# 11

i am not expecting anyone to make the game easier, what i expect is, that the startup, and how everything works (the game-basics), is getting "new-player"friendly.. nothing else

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 13:31 (UTC)
# 12

I work full time and have no issue reading ingame or online documentation after work, sorry for your failed narrative.

 

Furthermore, text is still the superior way of transmitting information, period.

 

 

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 13:35 (UTC)
# 13
On: Sep 8, 2021, 13:31 (UTC), Written by Smileybones

I work full time and have no issue reading ingame or online documentation after work, sorry for your failed narrative.

 

Furthermore, text is still the superior way of transmitting information, period.

 

 

yeah thats the problem, you only see yourself, get some empathy for other people who are not superhuman smart and who do not have a 1000% batterylife in their body like you.. if you keep like that, you will never see the game grow and have a stable growing playerbase, hence you are against helping PA in improving their business.

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 13:41 (UTC)
# 14

btw. i am also not saying to remove the wiki or texts, just add a tutorial/intro, something like that.. it won´t hurt anybodys feelings.. and especially it won´t hurt you little sad-bones, when we have intro/tutorial on startup at Ancient Stone Chamber.. or will you be hurt by that, when you don´t need to read it anymore?

 

but new players will very appreciate that help, even they would never know, we were the ones who set the stone for that development with our idea.. 

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 14:11 (UTC)
# 15

I don't see the source of your need of attacking me personally, are you trying to actually improve BDO or to shut down people who disagree with you.

 

Besides, there's plenty of video material on Youtube covering the needs you describe already, just don't tell me your traget audience also isn't capable of performing basic look up operations.

 

Lastly and despite common sense, Pearl Abyss stated that they're preparing a dumbed down tutorial that will spoonfeed your audience how to walk forward and backwards. This will achieve very little for teaching how to play this *MMORPG* in the grand scheme of things but you can bet it will be shiny and look not boringly old. Young people like shiny.

 

 

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 14:57 (UTC)
# 16
On: Sep 8, 2021, 14:11 (UTC), Written by Smileybones

I don't see the source of your need of attacking me personally, are you trying to actually improve BDO or to shut down people who disagree with you.

 

Besides, there's plenty of video material on Youtube covering the needs you describe already, just don't tell me your traget audience also isn't capable of performing basic look up operations.

 

Lastly and despite common sense, Pearl Abyss stated that they're preparing a dumbed down tutorial that will spoonfeed your audience how to walk forward and backwards. This will achieve very little for teaching how to play this *MMORPG* in the grand scheme of things but you can bet it will be shiny and look not boringly old. Young people like shiny.

 

 

it was not meant to sound attacking to you, but for me your statements sound each of them, you are simply not supporting a very nice function/help for people who simply have not the energy, skills, ability or whatsoever to read the whole written texts on the first start of the game and who some of them are maybe having disorders, or anything, that they cannot filter those masses on information, and need a simple video/tutorial for them to be explained.

nevertheless, even normal people are not in the mood to read hours/days/weeks/months/years on a wiki, to find out how functions of a game work.

some people just want a game to explain them how it works in the beginning, until they get the feeling for it, and dont need any help anymore.. than they are more than happy when the game gets more difficult..

 

and btw. i stated or repeated now 3 or more times already, that nobody wants to hop out each time of the game just to google on the browser how something works or to look on youtube guides.. yes you can get youtube guides for hard content, but not for the simple introduction stuff like UI, settings, website usage, weekly updates, etc.. this is the companies part to do that in the most usefull way.. you can´t give your customer a half finished car, and expect of him that he has to screw the wheels on it, so that he can drive to his home.. 

 

it is just outdated this kind of mechanics. we are already in the year 2021 and by 2011 or earlier there has been plenty of decent game examples who made a simple intro to avoid for people read hours and waste their time.. and to avoid, that the companies loss already potential customers, due to lack of creativity in the implementation of a startup-help explanation on basics..

and to mention for me it´s a sandbox game, is just a simple excuse, only because the general sandbox games are used to give 0 help to new players, which is rather dumb and contraproductive to the business growth and business success..

you as a company need to explain it nowadays even for the dumbest how it works, and nothing else.. to simply increase the chances even more to get more and more users/players attached and attracted to the game..

i even see it as a major mistake, why many sandbox games fail to convince new users on the audience, because they think they are a sandbox game, and they dont need to give someone a tutorial or help at the start.. and that is the business mistake.. 

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 15:18 (UTC)
# 17

 

here this stuff i highlighted, it has to be explained to people.. it is a huge amount of informations.. nothing is explained in a short simple manner, which has to be done in the easiest and fastest way in a kind of tutorial, where it will highlight you that section in that UI and tells you, "click now here, to try out how the map can be made bigger or smaller and to be switched into 3d-mode" or "click now on the right bottom banner the black spirit adventure, to see how the board game works, which is also going to be reset each day at 6/7AM, and you receive each day 3 dices"..
tell me how should a new player find that out in less then 30 minutes? I know it is not a triple A title BDO, but the company has it´s financial resources and capability of a triple A title, and they should do their best, to make that happen. Big titles give you a nice intro/tutorial and they are done within less than 1 hour to introduce you how everything works.. and that is quality content.. that is how you can get majority of people soft in a game, not the harsh way without zero information on hand.. 

 

and to click every button on your keyboard, just to find out on how you can move your mousecourser on the field or how to open the wiki of BDO is not a tutorial, it is dumb. just because lack of effort in giving a user quality content, and lack of effort in rising it´s chances of a higher profit.. 

 

and i am supporting this kind of intro and tutorial, because i want to see the playerbase grow, that also more casual players will find their love in this awesome MMO, which can be less than stressful or painful, if you see it as fun and if you like lifeskill or if you do mob grind for fun only.. i also support this, because i love each new player in the game, i try to help each of them, as soon as we get in contact somehow in the game, but for me it looks like you seem to tired or bored of the game, to attract it to new people or to make it attractive. aside of that.. it is really one of the hardest ways, to contact new players, i mean for me it is easy, but they do not know how the chat works and how to response to the people who are writing to them.. they don´t even know the difference between family and character name and how it works..

 

and it seems to me, you simply expect from every new player that he has to put sh*tload of his freetime into that research, just because YOU mr. smileybones had to do the same sh*tload, and you are seeing it as unfair, when those new players get it so easy and that they don´t need to do anything anymore.. and you seem to me not fair enough to give a little relieve for new players..

i really would love to have and to keep more new players on the game, also with growing up guilds or my guild for example, also other guilds told me its so hard to get new people.. and a factor of that, is also how all that basic stuff works.. no new player knows how it works.. so thats it..

 

i say we need this kind of stupid intro or explanations for newbs very badly, so that the company gets more money from a bigger playerbase and that the company and community gets all in all also more fresh ideas from new people outside that genre MMO or outside the BDO community who are new to here..

 

and again, it is not about making the game easier for the new people in it´s whole concept, only the start or the basics has to be as easy as possible.. because the learncurve will rise automatically and they will experience more than hard parts in the game laterwards after a few weeks.. so to make it already from start on so hard, that you have to research every button on how it works, that is the wrong way in my opinion to convince people in that nice game. 

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 15:24 (UTC)
# 18
Écrit le : 8 sept. 2021, 15:14 (UTC), par : maRee

 

here this stuff i highlighted, it has to be explained to people.. it is a huge amount of informations.. nothing is explained in a short simple manner, which has to be done in the easiest and fastest way in a kind of tutorial, where it will highlight you that section in that UI and tells you, "click now here, to try out how the map can be made bigger or smaller and to be switched into 3d-mode" or "click now on the right bottom banner the black spirit adventure, to see how the board game works, which is also going to be reset each day at 6/7AM, and you receive each day 3 dices"..
tell me how should a new player find that out in less then 30 minutes? I know it is not a triple A title BDO, but the company has it´s financial resources and capability of a triple A title, and they should do their best, to make that happen. Big titles give you a nice intro/tutorial and they are done within less than 1 hour to introduce you how everything works.. and that is quality content.. that is how you can get majority of people soft in a game, not the harsh way without zero information on hand.. 

 

and to click every button on your keyboard, just to find out on how you can move your mousecourser on the field or how to open the wiki of BDO is not a tutorial, it is dumb. just because lack of effort in giving a user quality content, and lack of effort in rising it´s chances of a higher profit.. 

 

and i am supporting this kind of intro and tutorial, because i want to see the playerbase grow, that also more casual players will find their love in this awesome MMO, which can be less than stressful or painful, if you see it as fun and if you like lifeskill or if you do mob grind for fun only.. i also support this, because i love each new player in the game, i try to help each of them, as soon as we get in contact somehow in the game, but for me it looks like you seem to tired or bored of the game, to attract it to new people or to make it attractive. aside of that.. it is really one of the hardest ways, to contact new players, i mean for me it is easy, but they do not know how the chat works and how to response to the people who are writing to them.. they don´t even know the difference between family and character name and how it works..

 

and it seems to me, you simply expect from every new player that he has to put sh*tload of his freetime into that research, just because YOU mr. smileybones had to do the same sh*tload, and you are seeing it as unfair, when those new players get it so easy and that they don´t need to do anything anymore.. and you seem to me not fair enough to give a little relieve for new players..

i really would love to have and to keep more new players on the game, also with growing up guilds or my guild for example, also other guilds told me its so hard to get new people.. and a factor of that, is also how all that basic stuff works.. no new player knows how it works.. so thats it..

 

i say we need this kind of stupid intro or explanations for newbs very badly, so that the company gets more money from a bigger playerbase and that the company and community gets all in all also more fresh ideas from new people outside that genre MMO or outside the BDO community who are new to here..

Sorry but you just typed a wall of text about how people somehow aren't able to understand standards elements of a MMORPG UI.

 

Do you really need to record on video someone telling us "This is a chat window. What you see are messages typed by other players. You can type your own messages by using your keyboard."

 

Lastly, you seemed to have missed the main point of this convo: Pearl Abyss is already reworking the tutorial, you can find this information with demo material in last Ball video.

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 15:34 (UTC)
# 19
On: Sep 8, 2021, 15:24 (UTC), Written by Smileybones

Sorry but you just typed a wall of text about how people somehow aren't able to understand standards elements of a MMORPG UI.

 

Do you really need to record on video someone telling us "This is a chat window. What you see are messages typed by other players. You can type your own messages by using your keyboard."

 

Lastly, you seemed to have missed the main point of this convo: Pearl Abyss is already reworking the tutorial, you can find this information with demo material in last Ball video.

so and in that kind of, what you mention is something included, that people should look up, to the website for daily/weekly news, also to let them know about how you can filter out your chat and how to send direct messages, and whats the pearlshop for, how to set up the UI, etc. etc. etc. 


i see it simply beneficial with having that.. of course you and me and many others here don´t need that, because we already know each function there, but still i see it for each new player also for those who have no clue on MMO´s but who want to experience a MMO, so that is just a advantage.. and i would also love to see the endresult as soon as they released that kind of.. since its really cool to have that feature.. 

Last Edit : Sep 8, 2021, 16:03 (UTC)
# 20
Écrit le : 8 sept. 2021, 15:34 (UTC), par : maRee

so and in that kind of, what you mention is something included, that people should look up, to the website for daily/weekly news, also to let them know about how you can filter out your chat and how to send direct messages, and whats the pearlshop for, how to set up the UI, etc. etc. etc. 


i see it simply beneficial with having that.. of course you and me and many others here don´t need that, because we already know each function there, but still i see it for each new player also for those who have no clue on MMO´s but who want to experience a MMO, so that is just a advantage.. and i would also love to see the endresult as soon as they released that kind of.. since its really cool to have that feature.. 

I see where you coming from however, I'm unsure that BDO vocation being to teach to the masses what MMOs are. As you can tell it's rather a niche game with an MMO experienced audience.

 

Furthermore, dumbing down the first hour experience won't change the fact that those new players will hit the complexity wall sooner or later and no amount of shiny will save them from the hard truth: MMOs are complex games with a long and steep learning curve.

 

Lastly, and for the third time, Pearl Abyss. is. reworking. the. tutorial. Go watch last Ball already.

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