Elten piece for the upgraded compass is estimated to take 1000 hours.  I figure if we start whining now on the forums now, we can save a lot of time grinding for things that hard-working players have achieved with much less effort.    

You would think the debate would be over the fact that obtaining Cheer V to optimize potions is typically a p2w endeavor.   But alas, the whine is instead saying that convinience of an infinite potion is too much work and must be changed!  So why isn't this even more true for elten piece?

Since PA has shown their willingness to throw their most dedicated players under the bus with the needless infinite potion changes, (reducing potion weight just wasn't enough for the whiners).  Why should we spend any more time working towards the most difficult achievements when we could be demanding they be made easier, faster, now now now?

Whinning works both ways, you losing players base who come to play MMORPG and only left with whinners, who usually don't play your game for to long. As result your game die,  unless you EA and release same game over and over and over again with new number next to name.

infinite potion is in no way necessary.  The potions you buy do exactly the same thing.  Its purely convinience item to save bag weight.

Honestly, I don't mind a guarenteed treasure system outside of rare drops as long as it would be at least double the expected time frame.

Shouldn't we be complaining about Cheer V instead? which you must p2w to reliably obtain

Years of forum experience tell that Pearl Abyss is already and perfectly aware about the loud forum whiners who don't have the mental fortitude to go for treasures yet feel entitled to own such prestige items.

Yeah, this is so epic to grind potentially endlessly.

I mean, why bother making something epic, a well constructed quest which requires various objectives for example ? Something hard, something which implies that the reward will always be deserved.

... But yeah, you're right, it's far better to grind without using his brain. 

You want prestige ? Those who got a garmoth heart though the quest are far above any treasure owner in term of mental fortitude. 

Many people have spent a lot of real money trying to get cheer V but still do not have it so as with a lot of things in this game it is pay to gamble to win.

Since this thread is for asking for free stuff, can I have a cheap nol? I'm okay with a generic version as long as it gives me double breezy (or even just 1 extra long breezy).

I'll take free 720 GS by doing 30 minute grind everyday at trash spot! :D