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# 41
On: Sep 23, 2021, 13:05 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

"Informing people" by suggesting the purchase of 50 maids and maxxing main cities' storage? Yeah, sure. 

Quoted as proof :

While the hint in itself is not bad, you clearly twist it and exaggerate it. Mixing reality with exaggeration and lies for your argumentation : HELLO SOPHISM!

 

And I would have probably suggested the same thing, but without a sordid attempt of manipulation.

Like "hey, you should consider the purchase of some maids and some storage slots, depending on your needs".

 

See the difference? 

 

NO! If it was anyone who you didin't disagree on pervious topics about the game. You would've skipped the insult. Actually you'd more than likely just flatout agree with them. But since this came from me. You felt to the need to be toxic even though the advice was good and sound.

 

That's what we call irrational and bais thinking. Which ultimately leads to devastation and ruin. Maybe you should be less of a emotional drone. And more of a logical and thoughtful sapient being. I'll give you more chances to practice this in the future.

Last Edit : Sep 23, 2021, 14:11 (UTC)
# 42
On: Sep 23, 2021, 13:46 (UTC), Written by EgoAdAstra

 

NO! If it was anyone who you didin't disagree on pervious topics about the game. You would've skipped the insult. Actually you'd more than likely just flatout agree with them. But since this came from me. You felt to the need to be toxic even though the advice was good and sound.

 

That's what we call irrational and bais thinking. Which ultimately leads to devastation and ruin. Maybe you should be less of a emotional drone. And more of a logical and thoughtful sapient being. I'll give you more chances to practice this in the future.

Precisely, it's because I know your obvious bias that I didn't skip your post and pointed your fallacy. Does it surprise you?

 

Your advice was not good and sound as it was voluntarily exaggerated.

- Suggesting some maids and storage is a good advice. 

- Suggesting 50 maids and maxxed main town storages is not a good advice. 

 

Nobody would have suggested so many purchases, but you did it.

Try to discuss in good faith and I won't need to reveal your manipulations. Pretty easy. 

Last Edit : Sep 23, 2021, 15:53 (UTC)
# 43
On: Sep 23, 2021, 14:10 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

Precisely, it's because I know your obvious bias that I didn't skip your post and pointed your fallacy. Does it surprise you?

 

Your advice was not good and sound as it was voluntarily exaggerated.

- Suggesting some maids and storage is a good advice. 

- Suggesting 50 maids and maxxed main town storages is not a good advice. 

 

Nobody would have suggested so many purchases, but you did it.

Try to discuss in good faith and I won't need to reveal your manipulations. Pretty easy. 

 

Ok so you seem pretty innocent on this topic. I'll break it down for you. There is no bais from me on this topic just simple basic math. But you being such a highly geared player that don't have to grind at spot that fill up 400LT annd 50 inventory slots every 10mins. You are very disconnected from reality on the woes of the under geared players.

 

If you are under 273AP and 330 DP. The grind spots that will make you good silver per hour. Will flood your inventory with green gear and other items that don't stack in quick order. Most of the green pieces of green weigh about 15LT each. At Gahaz at about 20 minutes I had over 30 pieces of this gear. Then you have the trash at these spot that weigh 0.30LT. With 17 storage maids and 18 marketplace maids I still had to make choices to delete some of those greens. That I could've melted down into traces later, or lose 10 minutes of buffs just to melt them down on the spot.

 

The only way to get around the scenario I described above. Is the either have more maids, or more inventory and max weight on that character. Which would've costed around $120. I think the totally reasonable thing to do is to buy more maids and town storage for all past, present, and future characters. Which would be a one time fee of around $400 to $600 depending on sale or not. Rather than just cheap out short term and only spend $120 to only have to spend that, and  on each new character in the future. Which will cost you way more money long term. 

Last Edit : Sep 23, 2021, 15:59 (UTC)
# 44

Yes, sure, if you avoid the common solutions (over stacking, does that ring a bell?) and literally refuse others, you may end up needing them.

Or you use what this game propose and only buy the bare minimum, depending on your need and will.

 

But yeah, I'm disconnected, sure. 

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Last Edit : Sep 23, 2021, 19:11 (UTC)
# 47
On: Sep 23, 2021, 16:54 (UTC), Written by Franklins

The Greens are worth nothing (40k each), toss the unenhanced base greens in the trash bin, and the Stone Fragments (160s each) that come from the destructables in the trash bin as well.

 

Melting those items are also not worth it, the time it takes to melt the rosar you would have made more by just using that same time grinding without a loot scroll or agris.

 

Now you just exposed yourself for either not actually playing the game. Or have not grinded in these spot for a long time. Either case, it's clear you are speaking out of your ass. Just to try to spite me because of previous disagreements. Because you are simple creature of emotional bais. That can't think or behave otherwise.

 

I'll break it down for others who are actually interested in learning how to get the most out of these spots. When I am on my seasonal character. I melt down those greens at low Processing skill. They each drop 3 to 4 traces that are worth 16k to 24k each, and a chance to drop a pure titanium ore, which by itself worth over 112k each. Along with some trash iron ore. End of story, those who just delete the green gear, instead of storing them to melt later. Are losing out on 20m to 30m that hour.

 

Also, you are not grinding 24/7. You have some down time while you are cooling down from the grind you just did. You melt them down in that timeframe. Also agris is a short finite resource that depletes very quickly. So you really can't rely on agris if you grind for more than 2 hours that day.

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Last Edit : Sep 23, 2021, 22:14 (UTC)
# 49
On: Sep 23, 2021, 19:58 (UTC), Written by Franklins

Lets break it down for you.

 

It takes 5-10 seconds depending on failing to melt a single base green item.  A single piece of Trash loot at Gahaz is 16k Your pets on agressive pick up loot once ever 2.2s and you have 5 pets, so that is 10 pieces of loot, in less time than it takes to melt one item.  10 x 16,000 is 160k silver.  Now you say you get 4 traces from each one which is 24x4 or 96k.  You would have to get a Pure Titanium Crystal (not ore) every other time to break even, you lose money every time if it takes 10 seconds instead of 5 to melt a single rosar weapon.  Now lets see how much many at max value it would take to get to 20m, 96 + 112, heck i'll give you 250k for each melted rosar weapon because of other material procs so the math is easier to follow.  4 rosar weapons = 1m silver 250,000 x 4 = 1,000,000.  You are saying you lose 30m silver an hour by not melting them, 30 x 4 = 120.  You need to melt 120 base rosar weapons down for them to be worth 30m silver, at 5 seconds per melting assuming you can hold all the weapons and you don't have to baby sit your computer and they are all identical weapons it takes 10 minutes (120 x 5 = 600 seconds , or 10minutes), if you have to keep selecting the weapons because you don't have 120 identical it takes even longer.

 

How much more silver would you have made by grinding 10m more instead?  Lets assume 250m per hour without the base rosar weapons, that is ~41m.  Sorry but your math just doesn't add up.

LOOOOOL.

 

Fearless:  "Now you just exposed yourself for either not actually playing the game."  "Either case, it's clear you are speaking out of your ass."  "End of story, those who just delete the green gear, instead of storing them to melt later. Are losing out on 20m to 30m that hour."

 

Franklins:  "some sick maths".  "You need to melt 120 base rosar weapons down for them to be worth 30m silver, at 5 seconds per melting assuming you can hold all the weapons and you don't have to baby sit your computer and they are all identical weapons it takes 10 minutes (120 x 5 = 600 seconds , or 10minutes), if you have to keep selecting the weapons because you don't have 120 identical it takes even longer."

 

Projection 101.  Thanks professor Fearless (Ego person).  Imagine dropping literally 120 base Rosars in a hour.  I see who's REALLY exposed!!!

 

Last Edit : Sep 24, 2021, 06:51 (UTC)
# 50
On: Sep 23, 2021, 22:13 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

LOOOOOL.

 

Fearless:  "Now you just exposed yourself for either not actually playing the game."  "Either case, it's clear you are speaking out of your ass."  "End of story, those who just delete the green gear, instead of storing them to melt later. Are losing out on 20m to 30m that hour."

 

Franklins:  "some sick maths".  "You need to melt 120 base rosar weapons down for them to be worth 30m silver, at 5 seconds per melting assuming you can hold all the weapons and you don't have to baby sit your computer and they are all identical weapons it takes 10 minutes (120 x 5 = 600 seconds , or 10minutes), if you have to keep selecting the weapons because you don't have 120 identical it takes even longer."

 

Projection 101.  Thanks professor Fearless (Ego person).  Imagine dropping literally 120 base Rosars in a hour.  I see who's REALLY exposed!!!

 

 

Imainge people who don't even grind at these spots telling people who do what's real. Dude you and that Franklins character are some of the most toxic forum posters on this forum. Just so you know there are times, where you can actual drop more than 3 of these Rosar gear in a minute. Meaning it's actually possible to get more than 180 of these pieces in a hour. Not likely but theoretically possible. However 90 to 120 are actually realistical numbers. Hence why I said the maids and town storage, or max weight and inventory are important.

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