You call other "toxic" and here you are asserting your beliefs as true and trying to discredit the experiences of others. 

You see mobs, so you kill mobs, you say?  How do I explain how rude that is to you?  You think the world revolves around you? Do you honestly think you can do whatever you want and not suffer consequences, even if it's bad behavior?

That's not how it works.  You are literally promoting toxicicity and self-absorbed, entitled, and rude behavior that you complain about. 

This is the second post I saw about this issue within a week. This, and literally everyone I talked about this with (aside from deniers like you), agrees -- Karma Bombing exists and can be a problem.

You call other toxic, and can't even hold a proper discussion over a REAL issue, start your reply to me with insults, invalidation, mockery, and asserting you're right and everyone is wrong?  I'm just glad IDK you IRL and I'm glad you're not on NA, all I gotta say.  Toxic player. And toxic forum responder, evidence is your reply to me. Can't even discuss, only assert and insult.

You do not enter an occupied solo grind zone in BDO and not expect to offend someone by that action.  That's not how BDO works.  Doing so has been considered toxic by the vast majority of players since day 1 of BDO release.  5+ years of being a grinder, and interactions with others in-game, has proven this. Hell, even new players know that's toxic AF.

@Senemedar

Know the difference between "ownership" and "occupancy".

I also suggest you learn some common human decency.

Senemedar would push a kid off a swing set if he wants to swing on it and claim "You don't own this swing set, so you can't be mad if I sit on your lap while you swing, and if you get offended by that, you're wrong, because I can do whatever I want"

Confirmed!!!

Double standard. 

Big time.  I'm not surprised at all.

Some people think they can do whatever they want.

Reality check needed.  We can't do "whatever we want" -- least without repercussion.

@OP -- What I did the last time someone rudely, and selfishly, tried grinding over me, I dec'd their guild.  If the guild is un-dec'able, then get good at mob feeding.  It's the only option.  As much as it sucks to fight griefing with griefing, it's all you can do to avoid being bullied out of a spot by a Karma Bomber.

Shitty game design.  But TBH, Karma may be a necessary evil.  I just wish there were ways to make up for it's shortcomings.  A regulated "Vendetta System", I believe, would solve soooo many problems in open world that stem out of grind zone conflicts.  With regulations that limit abuse, unlike the current Karma system that has literally zero consequence for abusing it.

I've been primairly a solo-grinder since I started BDO 5-ish years ago.  My beliefs come from years and countless hours of grinding in open world and interacting with many, many different personalities in BDO.  Karma Bombers are relatively rare.  But when you meet one, OMFG is it a terrible experience to deal with.  Mostly because there isn't really anything there to allow us to deal with it.  Some guilds cannot be dec'd, and guildless players can run amuk in grind zones, messing with anyone they please, with literally ZERO deterrant to do so. 

Other than morals, kindness, and a level of empathy, there's nothing to deter toxic players from outright toxic Karma Bombing others.  But, as clearly shown by "some people" in this thread, that's way too much to expect from some players.

Everything you said there can be redirected at you. Might does not make right. Karma bombing does not exist. Both players are playing the game as intended by using the tools at their disposal(in game mechanics). Also, the player who is "karmabombing" has a lot more to lose since most players of this game are really toxic and unsportsmanlike: making lesser geared players die to moobs and being drama queens if you try to talk to them after you try or succeed in pk ing them. There's also the fact that most people who ask for dfs will NOT leave the zone if you instaflag and kill them. 

False.  No one has claimed here, "might means right".  I certainly didn't say that, or imply that --> read again.  See, this is what I'm talking about, man, with some of you forum dudes --> You are purposefully re-directing the conversation all the time lul.  And it's so obvious it's just bad conversation.  Here we go.  Forum PvP baby!!  You flagged on me by calling me a drama queen ;)

Both players can use whatever tools available to them, no kidding.  It's a sandbox game, or supposed to be at least real close to one.  Not what this thread is talking about, genius.  One of these tools is fundamentally broken --> explained ad nauseum by many, not just us on the forum.  I have been a part of quite a few guilds, large and small, and literally -- every single person in those guilds know what Karma Bombing actually is.

(**I already said that Karma can protect "PvP-averse" players, and even is a good thing, did he not read?  I typed exactly that.  "Double-edged sword" and all that.  How disingenuous can this guy be?  Maybe doesn't know what the definiton of Double-Edged Sword is?  probably....)

There is a problem, when a tool can be used as a means to be toxic to another player with nothing in the way of stopping it, really.  And I can prove it. 

Disclaimer:  Karma exists as a deterrant to rampant unfair PK.  Which means to say; if PKing is a "tool", then Karma is the deterrant to it's abuse.  Nothing further than that.  To be clear.

OK here's my proof that Karma Bombing is Toxic, or can be Toxic.  Exhibit A:

1) Be guildless.

2) Find someone already grinding a good end-game spot. IE: Elvia Red Orcs.

3) Do not ever flag up.  Hit mobs right in their face.  Where they can obviously see you.

4) Ignore the person.  Do not communicate, no matter what they say to you.

5) They will get frustrated and likely PK you. 

6) Keep on ressurecting if PK'd and repeat.

Let's make a bet.  I'll bet you how much IRL dollars you want.  THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS WILL AGREE THAT IS PLAIN OL' TOXIC.

(Me trying to be clear with my words, but knowing he'll still miss the point -> Q_Q). 

So, if something is toxic.  My claim is = It should be deterred, like, somehow, c'mon!  There's nothing stopping someone from doing that bolded action.  Other than personal morals.  There are people out there with none.  These forum clowns ramble on about being PK'd and how PvP is toxic because they get PK'd --> HEY GUESS WHAT --> Karma exists.

Not going to waste my time repeating definitions.  Why don't you, Finduclown, or you Sadmemedar, ask me questions?  Discuss the issue.  Instead of deflect, dimiss, and dodge (triple D's of Dishonest Discussion).

Still, when players are using these mechanics, one gets immediately punished for using owpvp (logical, after all you're still killing someone), but the other can repeatedly KS or make bodythrow and be a nuisance even with the worst intention without any punishment.

Only players can then punish them with mob feeding, but this mechanics can also be misused. And bodythrow in itself is not punished by a game mechanics.

So, the idea is to rework everything : control owpvp, control bodythrow, and remove mob feeding. 

Toxic in the forum-also toxic in the game. At least I took notes, what to expect from a toxic pve-er like you. If you come to me and be the invader of my grinding place, when I personally mind my own business I won't even bother negotiating with you. Either I am going to PK you without warning or dec on your guild, if you're trying to KB me out of the place. ;) For everything there are consequences.

How do everyone deal with hostile uninvited guests? :)

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