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# 41
On: Sep 24, 2021, 05:20 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos
False. No one has claimed here, "might means right". I certainly didn't say that, or imply that --> read again. See, this is what I'm talking about, man, with some of you forum dudes --> You are purposefully re-directing the conversation all the time lul. And it's so obvious it's just bad conversation. Here we go. Forum PvP baby!! You flagged on me by calling me a drama queen ;)
Both players can use whatever tools available to them, no kidding. It's a sandbox game, or supposed to be at least real close to one. Not what this thread is talking about, genius. One of these tools is fundamentally broken --> explained ad nauseum by many, not just us on the forum. I have been a part of quite a few guilds, large and small, and literally -- every single person in those guilds know what Karma Bombing actually is.
(**I already said that Karma can protect "PvP-averse" players, and even is a good thing, did he not read? I typed exactly that. "Double-edged sword" and all that. How disingenuous can this guy be? Maybe doesn't know what the definiton of Double-Edged Sword is? probably....)
There is a problem, when a tool can be used as a means to be toxic to another player with nothing in the way of stopping it, really. And I can prove it.
Disclaimer: Karma exists as a deterrant to rampant unfair PK. Which means to say; if PKing is a "tool", then Karma is the deterrant to it's abuse. Nothing further than that. To be clear.
OK here's my proof that Karma Bombing is Toxic, or can be Toxic. Exhibit A:
1) Be guildless.
2) Find someone already grinding a good end-game spot. IE: Elvia Red Orcs.
3) Do not ever flag up. Hit mobs right in their face. Where they can obviously see you.
4) Ignore the person. Do not communicate, no matter what they say to you.
5) They will get frustrated and likely PK you.
6) Keep on ressurecting if PK'd and repeat.
Let's make a bet. I'll bet you how much IRL dollars you want. THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS WILL AGREE THAT IS PLAIN OL' TOXIC.
(Me trying to be clear with my words, but knowing he'll still miss the point -> Q_Q).
So, if something is toxic. My claim is = It should be deterred, like, somehow, c'mon! There's nothing stopping someone from doing that bolded action. Other than personal morals. There are people out there with none. These forum clowns ramble on about being PK'd and how PvP is toxic because they get PK'd --> HEY GUESS WHAT --> Karma exists.
Not going to waste my time repeating definitions. Why don't you, Finduclown, or you Sadmemedar, ask me questions? Discuss the issue. Instead of deflect, dimiss, and dodge (triple D's of Dishonest Discussion).
I'm about to tell how to avoid all of that. It's pretty simple. Go to the Arsha channel! Or better yet, just ask for one channel on every server group to be changed to a PvP channel without karma lose. All of your issues about dealing with the karma system would go away instantly.
But we know that's not what people like yourself want. You guys just are griefing pieces of trash. That find it fun to gatekeep and content block other from progressing to your gear.
On: Sep 24, 2021, 01:30 (UTC), Written by Franklins
Except in BDO Might does make right, Karma bombing does exist.
as for the "There's also the fact that most people who ask for dfs will NOT leave the zone if you instaflag and kill them."
Duh, they ask for a DFS so that both players are ready when the fight starts. Imagine thinking that punching a person for saying hello is an appropriate response.
No it don't and it's clear by your complaints. You guys are trying to turn BDO into another dead MMO that made "Might makes Right". The Devs of this game on the other hand, wants to go the opposite route. The current karma system, is hard evidence that might does not make right in BDO. That's just your delusion, to justify your toxic actions towards others.
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Sep 24, 2021, 11:11 (UTC)
# 42
On: Sep 24, 2021, 05:20 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos
False. No one has claimed here, "might means right". I certainly didn't say that, or imply that --> read again. See, this is what I'm talking about, man, with some of you forum dudes --> You are purposefully re-directing the conversation all the time lul. And it's so obvious it's just bad conversation. Here we go. Forum PvP baby!! You flagged on me by calling me a drama queen ;)
Both players can use whatever tools available to them, no kidding. It's a sandbox game, or supposed to be at least real close to one. Not what this thread is talking about, genius. One of these tools is fundamentally broken --> explained ad nauseum by many, not just us on the forum. I have been a part of quite a few guilds, large and small, and literally -- every single person in those guilds know what Karma Bombing actually is.
(**I already said that Karma can protect "PvP-averse" players, and even is a good thing, did he not read? I typed exactly that. "Double-edged sword" and all that. How disingenuous can this guy be? Maybe doesn't know what the definiton of Double-Edged Sword is? probably....)
There is a problem, when a tool can be used as a means to be toxic to another player with nothing in the way of stopping it, really. And I can prove it.
Disclaimer: Karma exists as a deterrant to rampant unfair PK. Which means to say; if PKing is a "tool", then Karma is the deterrant to it's abuse. Nothing further than that. To be clear.
OK here's my proof that Karma Bombing is Toxic, or can be Toxic. Exhibit A:
1) Be guildless.
2) Find someone already grinding a good end-game spot. IE: Elvia Red Orcs.
3) Do not ever flag up. Hit mobs right in their face. Where they can obviously see you.
4) Ignore the person. Do not communicate, no matter what they say to you.
5) They will get frustrated and likely PK you.
6) Keep on ressurecting if PK'd and repeat.
Let's make a bet. I'll bet you how much IRL dollars you want. THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS WILL AGREE THAT IS PLAIN OL' TOXIC.
(Me trying to be clear with my words, but knowing he'll still miss the point -> Q_Q).
So, if something is toxic. My claim is = It should be deterred, like, somehow, c'mon! There's nothing stopping someone from doing that bolded action. Other than personal morals. There are people out there with none. These forum clowns ramble on about being PK'd and how PvP is toxic because they get PK'd --> HEY GUESS WHAT --> Karma exists.
Not going to waste my time repeating definitions. Why don't you, Finduclown, or you Sadmemedar, ask me questions? Discuss the issue. Instead of deflect, dimiss, and dodge (triple D's of Dishonest Discussion).
toxic baby rant. (you might want to read again and taste the irony)
On: Sep 24, 2021, 05:46 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud
Still, when players are using these mechanics, one gets immediately punished for using owpvp (logical, after all you're still killing someone), but the other can repeatedly KS or make bodythrow and be a nuisance even with the worst intention without any punishment.
Only players can then punish them with mob feeding, but this mechanics can also be misused. And bodythrow in itself is not punished by a game mechanics.
So, the idea is to rework everything : control owpvp, control bodythrow, and remove mob feeding.
Exactly. It all needs to be reworked in order to create a less toxic enviroment. It's a system that does not benefit anyone.
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Sep 24, 2021, 11:21 (UTC)
# 43
On: Sep 24, 2021, 09:22 (UTC), Written by EgoAdAstra
I'm about to tell how to avoid all of that. It's pretty simple. Go to the Arsha channel! Or better yet, just ask for one channel on every server group to be changed to a PvP channel without karma lose. All of your issues about dealing with the karma system would go away instantly.
But we know that's not what people like yourself want. You guys just are griefing pieces of trash. That find it fun to gatekeep and content block other from progressing to your gear.
Arsha does not have a regulated owpvp, thus it is not a good answer. Removing karma loss has never been a solution for what we're asking for.
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Sep 24, 2021, 11:53 (UTC)
# 45
On: Sep 24, 2021, 11:49 (UTC), Written by Franklins
You have no respect for other people's time.
If they had respect for their time they wouldn't play bdo :D
And as things are going, it seems the game itself does not respect YOUR time. But we will see about that soon (the free pens inc)
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Sep 24, 2021, 12:02 (UTC)
# 48
On: Sep 24, 2021, 12:00 (UTC), Written by Franklins
False, people play games to get away fromt he real world for a while. If you are playing BDO you are choosing to spend your time playing BDO, getting griefed in any form is not enjoyable.
But what about the other guy who also wants to spend his time playing BDO. You hogging the spot is not in any form enjoyable for him :-?
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Sep 24, 2021, 13:25 (UTC)
# 50
On: Sep 24, 2021, 11:21 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud
Arsha does not have a regulated owpvp, thus it is not a good answer. Removing karma loss has never been a solution for what we're asking for.
Do you guys even know what y'all want. On one hand y'all are crying to the devs to nerf the karma system so it don't matter. And on the other hand, you people are staying y'all don't want unregulated owpvp. Which makes no type of sense at all.
Or are you people asking for the Devs to make a system that only benefits the geared. And remove lower geared players from the equation. Sounds like you guys just want to have the whole game to yourselves. But at the same want to have the option to content block and gatekeep other players' progression.
Ok fine I'll bit. Why don't we make it so whenever a geared player, decide they want to remove a low geared player from a low geared grind spot. The low geared player will have to look at a respawn screen for 30 minutes as PeaceInChaos once suggested. Or the lower geared player will be teleported back to the capital city. So they would have to spend 5 to 10 minutes to travel back to a grind spot each time they are PKed. Do you really think this will make newer players or players on very poor 1v1 specs. To want to keep playing this game. Or do you think such changes would just cause another mass exodus?
On: Sep 24, 2021, 12:00 (UTC), Written by Franklins
False, people play games to get away fromt he real world for a while. If you are playing BDO you are choosing to spend your time playing BDO, getting griefed in any form is not enjoyable.
Yet you continuouslly advocate for handing more power to PK griefing.~As you said before you believe "Might makes right in BDO".~ While damning players for not leaving a spot after being PKed by a more geared or better 1v1 spec'ed player. Hypocrisy at its finest right here. Go unfuck yourself, how dare you demand other people respect your time, while you don't respect other peoples' time. That takes some audacity to openly say such things.
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