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The Saga of Sadge Sage and PA's class balance inconsistencies (Part 1)
Sep 25, 2021, 06:04 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Sep 28, 2021, 17:33 (UTC)
# 12
On: Sep 28, 2021, 17:06 (UTC), Written by Pretzelicious

Baffled by your extraordinary skill of putting words in my mouth and making assumptions. When did I say he had to "condense" his posts? He could've posted the second and third topics as replies to this thread because they wont get equal attention and congratulations, if PA does read them I'm sure they won't look at all three of them. I didn't assume they're the same? Where did I say that? Lol?

I know Sage suffered, my friend re-rolled cause of the changes, but you need to stop being so entitled and think you're the only ones who PA leaves in the Dark.

Condescending and spoiled Sage players.

People like you are the ones who cause the rest of the playerbase to disregard proper feedback and call you whiny. 

I'm trying to improve feedback, why would he relegate two completely different specs, with different issues...to the exact same thread? Makes no sense, we've ALREADY tried that...there are several multiple page complaints, apparently quantity over quality is the key.

 

It has nothing to do with being "entiteled" and everything to do with seeing that they're reworking classes to fit a meta that only exists for Corsair and an old version of Awakening Sage. That's a joke. Succ Sage absolutely struggles in most PVP content as is, it's been neglected and only nerfed for 6 months straight. You can't expect ppl that weren't "FOTM" to take that happily and not get tired of the BS eventually...can you? Then to see them rework classes, when you can't even get pvp game breaking bugs fixed, is a joke. It's WIDELY known the class struggles, but yet there's still trolls in every post about Succ Sage. PPL STILL making Nerf Succ Sage posts and on and on. When the issues are glaringly apparent. No class ever in the game, has had such a crippeling nerf. Mystic, after SA/CC changes yes, but that effected everyone. The Succ Sage nerf was direct and insanely misleading, the class still can't rift like the trailer and still has collision on SA, causing us to literally have to bring 10+ more dp to any spot any other class goes to. We enhale hp pots and have issues with skills firing wrong direction, f'd up animations and STILL have the put away weapons when getting hit in Riftchain. And to not even hear anything, is just disheartening.

 

Edit: My bad, I see you saw Blachsharks comments. Disregard.

 

Last Edit : Sep 28, 2021, 17:27 (UTC)
# 13
On: Sep 28, 2021, 17:06 (UTC), Written by Pretzelicious

Baffled by your extraordinary skill of putting words in my mouth and making assumptions. When did I say he had to "condense" his posts? He could've posted the second and third topics as replies to this thread because they wont get equal attention and congratulations, if PA does read them I'm sure they won't look at all three of them. I didn't assume they're the same? Where did I say that? Lol?

I know Sage suffered, my friend re-rolled cause of the changes, but you need to stop being so entitled and think you're the only ones who PA leaves in the Dark.

Condescending and spoiled Sage players.

People like you are the ones who cause the rest of the playerbase to disregard proper feedback and call you whiny. 

The entire playerbase was going to disregard feedback and cry OP or FOTM anytime anyone suggested sage be tuned up a bit anyway. As has been the typical response.

 

No class has gone from one of the best to one of the worst in such a short amount of time. While it was effective in getting the true FOTM off the class rapidly, it was a massive insult to anyone who actually just enjoys the class. The class is incomplete. Only superficially carried by the two things that were nerfed. The other classes are getting a rework now so why are we not allowed to bring attention to these obvious  issues without being called condescending and spoiled lmao? 

Last Edit : Sep 28, 2021, 17:38 (UTC)
# 14
On: Sep 28, 2021, 17:27 (UTC), Written by Blackshark

The entire playerbase was going to disregard feedback and cry OP or FOTM anytime anyone suggested sage be tuned up a bit anyway. As has been the typical response.

 

No class has gone from one of the best to one of the worst in such a short amount of time. While it was effective in getting the true FOTM off the class rapidly, it was a massive insult to anyone who actually just enjoys the class. The class is incomplete. Only superficially carried by the two things that were nerfed. The other classes are getting a rework now so why are we not allowed to bring attention to these obvious  issues without being called condescending and spoiled lmao? 

Agreed, I don't think he realized that each thread dealt with a different kit/issue. 

End of the Day: Succ Sage needs a Rework. Class was literally designed around Split TP w/ RC iframe. His skills are slow because of it. His skills were designed to be pocketed and used with it. This is why he does ok in NW/Siege with a team protecting him. He's unable to partake in any PVP content where he's focused without it being a seriously hard uphill battle.

 

If you're taking a kit, that was designed for 1 specific thing, and then removing that 1 thing it was designed around, MONTHS later mind you, what'd you expect? That's wrong. But hell, if you take that 1 thing, the other parts need to be improved. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE. They took the 1 thing the entire kit was designed around, and then proceed to take more, and more. Not once fixing/adding anything to compensate. If you were to take Sorcs iframe and make it SA every other time, she'd still be usable as she has a well rounded kit. If you took Ninja and removed Silent Charge, still be useable. Because they weren't designed around that 1 single gimmick. Succ Sage was. It's why he's dogshit now, he lacks any form of utility, has slow ass skills and almost zero protection. It's not a well rounded kit BECAUSE it was designed around Riftchain iframe on tap. Something that no longer exists...so what'd it receive to compensate?

 

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Last Edit : Sep 28, 2021, 18:28 (UTC)
# 16
On: Sep 28, 2021, 17:44 (UTC), Written by Pretzelicious

My issue is with Jenisiz and their arguments just cause I think the topic could be formatted more efficiently. I only called THEM whiny and condescending becaue they put words in my mouth. Not because they care about a class they love :) I have no issue correcting myself when have to, like you telling me Mango's previous topic was only about awakening.

I have no issue with reasonable Sage players who want class balance. There's nothing I would like more than to have my good friend play the class he loved so he's more active.

But ironically and much to prove my point. Look at how this topic is bumped just cause you're both here taking crap with me while Part 2 of Mango's wall of text has no replies. Which covers awakening, which... he already had a popular topic for it? xD Could've bumped it up with his new insight.

Jenisiz can edit their post 15 times in 10 minutes and point out all the facts about Sage they want, I never said Sage should be left in the dust. I only made a comment about how ineficient it is to post this in three parts. I'm done bumping this thread, maybe the other two can catch up then ;)

I edit to fit the replies that followed instead of following up with a different post each time. But regardless, as the title even says, he broke it up and explained WHY it's not condensed. Then we both pointed out it's talking about different issues, and it's not copy paste. If you'd have read each post instead of instantly replying with comments that weren't even relevant you'd of understood this. But continued to go on saying how I'm complaining when you're doing the same thing EVERYONE else keeps doing. Writing it off as some player complaining, commenting without reading or comprehending the issue at hand...and then continuing on with zero feedback to the OP. Something this forum and several member like you consistently do. If you don't have any positive or enlightening feedback, don't respond. If you're not going to actually read the post being written, don't respond. It's pretty simple. Sage needs addressed, and going round and round in comments with ppl that don't even bother reading the OP, is exhausting.

This was hidden by admin due to the reports it has received.
Last Edit : Sep 30, 2021, 21:52 (UTC)
# 18

Really? Three forums posts? You couldn't just go get some free blog or txt file host and put this there? Your lazy thinking hurts your credibility and I now have to assume this is bad take on the Sage situation. Hopefully someone who can dress themselves does a write up.

Last Edit : Oct 5, 2021, 11:27 (UTC)
# 19
On: Sep 30, 2021, 21:52 (UTC), Written by BDOForum

Really? Three forums posts? You couldn't just go get some free blog or txt file host and put this there? Your lazy thinking hurts your credibility and I now have to assume this is bad take on the Sage situation. Hopefully someone who can dress themselves does a write up.

 

I mean I've tried, but the entire community has left me on read 😂

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Last Edit : Oct 5, 2021, 15:23 (UTC)
# 20
On: Sep 30, 2021, 21:52 (UTC), Written by BDOForum

Really? Three forums posts? You couldn't just go get some free blog or txt file host and put this there? Your lazy thinking hurts your credibility and I now have to assume this is bad take on the Sage situation. Hopefully someone who can dress themselves does a write up.

 

I'm not sure if people would read it if it was put intot he form of a txt file.

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