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Stop giving free PEN just change enchance system
Oct 5, 2021, 00:57 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Oct 6, 2021, 01:43 (UTC)
# 21
On: Oct 6, 2021, 01:34 (UTC), Written by Eriane

I'm not asking for anyone to hand hold anything, I'm asking for a system that involves zero RNG.

 

And they gave you just that.  Starting with Central Market = Zero RNG for you to make gains.  Jetina V Accessory = reduces the price of a 40+ billion item down to 10 billion on a linear, time-gated, "do x, y, z" questline.  Upcoming guranteed PEN boss gear = more X, Y, Z content.

 

It's exactly what you're asking for, isn't it?

Last Edit : Oct 6, 2021, 01:50 (UTC)
# 22
On: Oct 6, 2021, 01:43 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

And they gave you just that.  Starting with Central Market = Zero RNG for you to make gains.  Jetina V Accessory = reduces the price of a 40+ billion item down to 10 billion on a linear, time-gated, "do x, y, z" questline.  Upcoming guranteed PEN boss gear = more X, Y, Z content.

 

It's exactly what you're asking for, isn't it?

 

No not really. Market isn't really progression it's just buying something outright. But yes, without the market, this game would have died long ago because RNG isn't loved lol. But, I'm not going to spend 90bn on a single item when it takes an hour to get maybe 100-150mil. But why would anyone want to? To be the best at PvP? This is where the conversation would diverge into how poor the PvP in this game is and unfair it can be because it's not so much a game of skills. The motivation to get the best gear is not there. There's no purpose to become stronger. PvE is what exactly? Mindlessly grind mobs all day for thousands and thousands of hours with no goal in mind? This is why I was suggesting how getting rid of RNG and making gear more like leveling to make them stronger. Of course, that would defeat the business model and it would be the end of this game which honestly I wouldn't want to see. But it was food for thought on what they could have decided to go with instead of RNG.

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Last Edit : Oct 6, 2021, 02:30 (UTC)
# 23
On: Oct 6, 2021, 01:50 (UTC), Written by Eriane

No not really. Market isn't really progression it's just buying something outright. But yes, without the market, this game would have died long ago because RNG isn't loved lol. But, I'm not going to spend 90bn on a single item when it takes an hour to get maybe 100-150mil. But why would anyone want to? To be the best at PvP? This is where the conversation would diverge into how poor the PvP in this game is and unfair it can be because it's not so much a game of skills. The motivation to get the best gear is not there. There's no purpose to become stronger. PvE is what exactly? Mindlessly grind mobs all day for thousands and thousands of hours with no goal in mind? This is why I was suggesting how getting rid of RNG and making gear more like leveling to make them stronger. Of course, that would defeat the business model and it would be the end of this game which honestly I wouldn't want to see. But it was food for thought on what they could have decided to go with instead of RNG.

"Market isn't really progression it's just buying something outright."

How does this make sense?  Pls explain.  Because if I spend 40 billion silver on Caphra's, right now, that's the next DP bracket for me.  Isn't getting bigger sheet stats......Progression?

 

"I'm not going to spend 90bn on a single item when it takes an hour to get maybe 100-150mil. But why would anyone want to? To be the best at PvP? This is where the conversation would diverge into how poor the PvP in this game is and unfair it can be because it's not so much a game of skills."

The only reason you'd spend 90 billion on an item is when you are out of options.  Meaning, you would already have full PEN Boss Gear, 2x PEN Rings, a PEN Valtarra's, and 2x TET Disto, and your only AP upgrade would be a PEN Ogre Ring.  If you're at that point, where 90 billion is your next upgrade, why are you only making 150 million an HOUR?  OK maybe you're trying to use examples and you aren't actually at this stage of gear yet.  But pls know, that, at least to me, you are displaying a clear lack in tangible, fist-hand, experience or knowledge.

 

Why someone would want to spend 90 billion on an item will vary between people, but I'd say the biggest reason is for PvP Performance.  If you, yourself, cannot justify it because of your reasons, does not mean that others cannot hold an opposite view.  BDO PvP - at high level - is all about Class and Skill, when the gear gaps come down to 20 GS or less.  Like, yeah, if you're only 650 and you face a 700 GS, gear plays a huge role, which is why you believe it to be so unfair (I doubt you're looking at a 90 Billion upgrade for yourself right now), but at high level, where everyone is near the same high GS -- It's all about Skill and Class.  People will shoot for those expensive upgrades when they are out of options to progress.

 

"The motivation to get the best gear is not there. There's no purpose to become stronger."

Speak for yourself.  People shoot for higher gear to gain entry into good guilds.  People shot for higher gear to make more silver per hour.  People shoot for higher gear to perfom better in PvP.  Some may also do it for a sense of personal achievement and find motivation in keeping up in gear with their friends.

 

Though, I half agree.  I wish we had non-equalized ranked PvP modes = Instant meaning/purpose to get stronger.  Also wish we had some fun group PvE content aside from grinding, the dungeons aim to address that, but I also wish they'd eventually work on existing PvE modes like Savage Rift and Altar of Blood and make it more interesting and fun.

 

"Mindlessly grind mobs all day for thousands and thousands of hours with no goal in mind?"

Sounds like a "you" problem, bud.

 

"This is why I was suggesting how getting rid of RNG and making gear more like leveling to make them stronger."

> Season+ (still RNG, but those success rates are stupid high + LITERAL FREE IV yellow accessories in every slot) > CM > Jetina V accessory > Guaranteed PEN.  They did that already.  Welcome to Chris_Poli channel.

 

"Of course, that would defeat the business model and it would be the end of this game which honestly I wouldn't want to see. But it was food for thought on what they could have decided to go with instead of RNG."

Keep in mind, BDO is still supposed to be a sandbox MMO.  All the time-gated, linear stuff and how good mob grinding is compared to other modes of income takes away from that.  I explained in another reply here BDO used to be all about mixing AFK, semi-AFK, and active gameplay to optmize profits --> It's not like that anymore.  All you gotta do nowadays is grind -> That's literally it, and gians will fall into your lap.  Valencia is a sub-200 AP region and profits nearly as much as entry Elvia zones, which, Elvia is suppsoed to be "end-game" grind zones. 

 

TL:DR

Game is stupid easy nowadays, players literally have zero reason not to progress aside from their own lack of motivation or incompetence.  BDO holds palyer's hands more than ever before in 2021 going into 2022, so these requests to make it even more easy (referring to the OP) just makes me sigh, man. 

 

I just hope they have some really good PvP content or PvX in store for us once all the Season players get their base PEN.

 

 

Last Edit : Oct 6, 2021, 06:04 (UTC)
# 24
On: Oct 5, 2021, 23:30 (UTC), Written by Eriane

Or... or....

 

Remove RNG entirely! Make the gear progression based and while it may still take months to complete, it's entirely not RNG reliant and you feel rewarded every step of the way instead of penalized.

 

Oh wait, that's not how PA makes their whale money so i guess that won't happen. Shame :'(

 

 

Why not just go play ESO, GW2, or New World at that point. The who point of BDO is to make easy money with low chance RNG progression system. What you are asking for, is to play a whole different game. Which actually do exist. Highly unlikely these Devs will just voluntarily change their effortlessly to maintain money maker. 

Last Edit : Oct 6, 2021, 06:42 (UTC)
# 25

My problem and the original subject of my post is to inform on the price of echanting items on the market.

I'm not talking about RNG or downgrading, they are OK, I can accept that.
But I don't accept the fact I have to pay 300 millions to repair 100 durability on an item or more for Black Star. Because the price of Memory Fragment is just insane right now.
Or 3,528 billions of caphras to get 1 AP or 1 accuracy, 1 DP, 10 HP, 1 DR 1 EVA etc etc.
The price of Caphras is too expensive for no reason.
Crons are also too expensive if we look the amount asked to click an item is too expensive for the price of the Cron. Even with outfit melting.

What the point of losing 10B of work with few clics only ? At this rate of the game, it's totally useless. Yes indeed I clicked on my stuff few days agow because I was bored and I'm not playing that much. But it showed again the problem of this system. You work one month like fool, destroying your eyes and your life just to get dust.
It's not rewarding.

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Last Edit : Oct 6, 2021, 06:47 (UTC)
# 26
On: Oct 6, 2021, 06:04 (UTC), Written by EgoAdAstra

 

Why not just go play ESO, GW2, or New World at that point. The who point of BDO is to make easy money with low chance RNG progression system. What you are asking for, is to play a whole different game. Which actually do exist. Highly unlikely these Devs will just voluntarily change their effortlessly to maintain money maker. 

 

Be careful with what you ask for because this is what is happening already. People who come here are those who care because everyone else already play new world where theres zero p2w cash shop and far more balanced pvp

 

People are leaving bdo and in a fast momentum

Last Edit : Oct 6, 2021, 06:55 (UTC)
# 27
On: Oct 6, 2021, 06:42 (UTC), Written by Anvorka

My problem and the original subject of my post is to inform on the price of echanting items on the market.

I'm not talking about RNG or downgrading, they are OK, I can accept that.
But I don't accept the fact I have to pay 300 millions to repair 100 durability on an item or more for Black Star. Because the price of Memory Fragment is just insane right now.
Or 3,528 billions of caphras to get 1 AP or 1 accuracy, 1 DP, 10 HP, 1 DR 1 EVA etc etc.
The price of Caphras is too expensive for no reason.
Crons are also too expensive if we look the amount asked to click an item is too expensive for the price of the Cron. Even with outfit melting.

What the point of losing 10B of work with few clics only ? At this rate of the game, it's totally useless. Yes indeed I clicked on my stuff few days agow because I was bored and I'm not playing that much. But it showed again the problem of this system. You work one month like fool, destroying your eyes and your life just to get dust.
It's not rewarding.

 

then ask for and give ideas for new sources of caphras/mem frags. putting a price ceiling on items thats already rising in price because the demand is insane will never work

Last Edit : Oct 7, 2021, 02:25 (UTC)
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Écrit le : 6 oct. 2021, 06:55 (UTC), par : asdsadfas

then ask for and give ideas for new sources of caphras/mem frags. putting a price ceiling on items thats already rising in price because the demand is insane will never work

 

Sure.
Memory should help to recorver 2 durability instead of 1. It will ask only 50 memories to repair 100 durability. So to repair it will cost you 140M instead of 280M just to recover 100 durability.

The amount of caphras on an item should be reduced by 20%. Right now, for a caphras 5 Dandelion, it's 1176 caprahs, so 3.528 B of caphras.
So if we reduced the amount, it will be 941 caphras, so 2.823 B of caphras.


The amount of Crons to protected an item should be reduced by 10%. For exemple, the amount of crons for a try PEN griffin is 429 crons, so 858M of crons for a try . So if you reduced it by 10%, it's asking 386 crons so 772M for a try.

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Last Edit : Oct 7, 2021, 02:28 (UTC)
# 29
Écrit le : 6 oct. 2021, 06:47 (UTC), par : Gooyoung

 

People are leaving bdo and in a fast momentum

 

Source ?

Last Edit : Oct 7, 2021, 09:22 (UTC)
# 30
On: Oct 7, 2021, 02:25 (UTC), Written by Anvorka

Sure.
Memory should help to recorver 2 durability instead of 1. It will ask only 50 memories to repair 100 durability. So to repair it will cost you 140M instead of 280M just to recover 100 durability.

There is already a way to make memories recover 5 instead of 1, surely they going ot ruin their own business, surely.

 

Also that 10% cron change you saying is just change for the sake of change, but wouldn't change anything significantly.

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