No no, the fact doomsayers have failed for half a deacde doesn't matter, this time they're right for sure :D

yes its going to be a big release just like the release of the shadowbringer lightthrower or booger eater expansion on year of 2018 2019 2020 2021 and yet bdos numbers remained the same.

there are many problems with bdo but you really think bdo numbers will change because of something on a scale that has happened at least 5 times in recent history lol people are definitely going to try the games make no mistake but they always come crawling back. every person on forums be it this or the previous one that said that they are going to "quit" the game is still very active.

Facts, Senedemar is one of them after spitting loudly on BDO for months and announcing dramatically they would quit lol. And that's just one of the many others. CatDK has been spitting on BDO on its staff for half a decade yet they still visit forums daily. Etc.

But get ready for downvotes and rage reports for stating the truth.

BDO would have died a long time ago had they not changed a significant amount of things seemingly overnight. This is what I'm asking in this thread. This isn't doom and gloom but reality. If they didn't release BDO remastered for xbox and dealt with the server connectivity issues that plagued the kakao servers for about a year straight, they would have been dead. Then, later on they managed to survive a bit longer because of BDO mobile. I can't talk about the other games they have but I'm merely restricting this post to BDO.

MMORPGs don't have that many players playing their games. Compare Fortnite to FF14, the most played MMORPG right now and the numbers are significantly different because RPGs are a niche. BDO tried to do its own thing but they don't succeed long term. It's always short term profits and they move around their vision whenever they need to. In this very moment in time, they need to do that again.

The only reason why BDO hasn't flopped over and died entirely yet is because they have adapted. What are their plans to adapt and change enough for players to be willing to give BDO another shot later down the line? BDO plays and feels like a freemium, korean grinder for a mobile phone but it's on a PC. That's not very appealing to PC gamers. Where is the vision? What features/content do they plan to implement that isn't going to feel gimmicky?

I'm saying this not because I want to see BDO fail but rather because I want to know if there's a chance of them turning things around again.

The so called exodus will be just the same as any other year. Kinda of a pointless thread. Every year you see some people writing that BDO is gonna die. That is the case since it's release 5 years ago. And so far it hasn't happened. BDO has just it's ups and downs regarding players. Not long ago there were alot of players around. Now currently it's remaining the same. What you forget is that people have a habit of taking a break and then return. Eventually people will return to BDO. Why? because BDO offers a gameplay no one else has. BDO is not a copycat of an other game, like all those new titles which are coming or are already out. Almost all new titles borrows from BDO instead. That says something. I see someone mention Elyon here. Well, Elyon is already out. I've played the closed beta myself of that one and Elyon does nothing new. It borrows from TERA and from BDO and a little bit of Aion. New World and Lost Ark won't do much different as well. 
As it looks now BDO is to stay for the next 5 years, just as what happened with Aion and TERA. It has a permanent playerbase and got enough content now. Sure, it could have some improvements here and there. And i guess PA has a roadmap. But BDO is finished and it plays just different then any other MMORPG around. Hence why people come back. 

I wonder why people assume that everyone only play one MMO. I going to focus on FF14 expansion and when I run out of things to do there I will be back and keep doing my things.

Still sure, we need new content and what we have fixed and improved with QoL.

As it has been said, we heard this so many times. You're trying to compare games that are on different markets. FF? Yeah, good game, but so different from BDO.

BDO is successful in its own niche. For 5 years now. You can take a break and play something else, sure, but if BDO is the game that gathers most of what you're looking for in a MMORPG, you'll probably come back up it sooner or later. Because it's the best in its own market, it adapted without going mainstream.

And as many products, BDO is timing its changes, evolutions with the market. That's basically marketing 101.

We could talk a long time about what BDO would need to change, there's a lot of flaws even today, but reducing BDO to a simple dying game managing to survive thanks to plain tricks is an overstretch. An old one at that. 

I hate to break this to people, Santa Claus doesn't live at the North Pole and there are no WoW killers.

The only thing that kills a game is the game publisher.  NCSoft killed City of Heroes not the lack of interest in CoH or the intrest in some other game.  NCSoft chose to shutdown and kill the game.  NCsoft terminated its Paragon Studios development team and ended City of Heroes in the fall of 2012. 

Lower player population only means you have a tight knit community of loyalists.  When Guild Wars announced they would not be adding additional content to the orginal game the players flocked to GW2, but there is still roughly ten thousand  (or more) actively playing the original.  The original game never went free to play and still costs more than $50 US to download all 3 parts with Eye of the North supplement package.  

Now that Pearl Abyss is both publisher and developer of this game, the CoH scenario would be crazy.   There is no BDO killer.  The game will be dead the day you cannot login to play it.

I started the game in August. Love it every day more.

Because BDO has got 2 incredible features:

1) combat system. Every MMO end game is shaped around grinding, at least end game grinding in BDO present a funny combat; pvp combat got more problems, speaking of desync and class balances. If they fix it, we take off 

2) there s no fixed way to get things....nothing pushed forward that you MUST do. You decide what to grind, where to grind, how to spend your money, what lifeskills you need e/o you like, enhance gears or buy it on CM. You can improve money making with many AFK activities and actively play whenever you want.

Absolute freedom in a fantastic open world with great combat system and different lifeskills.

Go play whatever game you like, just let us enjoy ours.

No need to be so aggressive.

Once again, I'll repeat myself. I'm not saying BDO is terrible, it could be worse... I've played the game since it was in BETA. I know what it's been through, and I was hyped for the game long before it even released. BDO was revolutionary at its time with all its promises but it underdelivered with broken/incomplete mechanics. However, we gave it a chance and we supported it regardless.

BDO went through its ups and downs and whenever it would go up, it garnered a lot of support from people loving the combat mechanics and "immersion" which this game offered. However, once they reached far enough into the game, they noticed how flawed the game was and how the combat controls didn't matter because the mechanics were actually bad (like instant enemy AOE, latency, desync, boring A.I etc). Additionally, players noticed the awful community because how BDO breeds toxic players and feedback.

The game just about died a few times before. The only saving grace was niche "emergency-like" tactics that hyped the game back temporarily. Take for example, the remastered version for xbox. This ocurred when almost nobody was playing anymore on PC, like there were just a few players. This tactic saved BDO.

I can't say this enough times, they figure out how to save BDO from dying entirely. BDO is "dying" in the sense the numbers are dwindling, people are bored and the MMO community find BDO a laughingstock of a "fake game". What is PA doing to protect BDO from people leaving entirely? We're heading into that road AGAIN.

> Class rebalance (Priority right now, no release date)

> Mansion (Too niche to make a difference)

> Caravan (Abandoned?)

> Workers 2.0 (Not sure what happened to this)

> Next Expansion (Should be releasing this month but got dealyed I think)

> Next Expansion 2 (ETA was early next year, don't know if it's happening anymore)

> Fix desync (????? No idea what happened to this)

> Story rework (Delayed until....?)

I don't know what else they were planning but it seems that everything has been delayed until an undefined time. But even with what I have listed, is there anything here that seems to be interesting enough to retain players? Class rebalance is great and really needed but when are we seeing new content? When will we start having goals in the game? There's really no point in getting stronger if there's no motivational factor behind it. They also killed lifeskilling which is a big deal to people who mainly plays for lifeskilling jobs since this is a PvE x PvP x Lifeskill game and always has been branded that way.

Once again, I'm not saying I want BDO to die, I'm asking what is BDO planning to prevent a mass exodus that doesn't come back after the hype of New world and FF14 and GW2 (rework)? BDO is "its own thing" but that alone isn't enough because it's a niche in a niche market. It's meaningless. There are a lot of games like BDO already on the market, it might be that you haven't heard of it.

There's no need to be a gatekeeper with the "don't like it, go play something else" attitude. I'm here for an intellectual discussion about the future of BDO and perhaps what they can do to save themselves. Being a gatekeeper only makes this community worse than it already is. We can be better than that, right?