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Ninja Reboot Hopes/Expectations
Oct 22, 2021, 23:34 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Nov 3, 2021, 15:28 (UTC)
# 21
On: Oct 23, 2021, 06:01 (UTC), Written by Izanagi345

succ ninja has far more protections than awaken ninja you have actual protected cc in succ spec compared to awaken. Awaken literally has zero protected cc nothing with cc in awakens kit pre awaken or awaken has cc attached to it and is protected outside of core skilled katana shower and thats assumng you use the core skill for it otherwise you have to have a minimum of 50% bsr to have cc on it. Beheadings i frame is so short it might as well not exist and because the normal version of beheading is so slow compared to prime version the huge protection gap it has is easily exploitable. Succ ninja doesnt really need anything its pretty much fine as is maybe some more accuracy and the distance on alert stance shuriken dash brought back to the original distance and thats about it. 80% of succ specs movement is protected compared to awakens 50 %. I mean I wont say succ doesnt need a few things but as a whole succ ninja is largely fine as is. 

Smokescreen + whatever core you choose are protected, no? I don't think this should be a post about "Succ vs awk ninja" it should just be, what can both benefit together?

 

To be blunt, as the game is right now on live servers: awk is FG oriented, Succ is SA oriented. While succ is basically perma protected in duels, slows is a death sentence in large scale. Kinda forces some to just play a hit and run style. FG is way under-rated. I wouldn't deny giving awk an extra SA or anything, maybe change CORE MI into lingering like old days? I think that would be fair tbh.

 

In Succ, we have smokescreen as protected cc's but no COREs or etc, just off the top of my head. The meta has been changed, so a good balance of SA's and FG is important. If you would like to maybe change awk to have one more SA (and if to not take the lingering SA for MI) then i'd ask for one more FG skill for Succ Ninja, as I would LOVE to have another one of those in large scale.

 

I do agree with some of your other posts however. They are some great ideas for both types of Ninjas.

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Last Edit : Nov 3, 2021, 15:34 (UTC)
# 22

Another protected CC on a slow animation skill or so, example: iframe if I do the slower version of beheading instead of the cancelled version. As of right now, I never use the complete beheading, I always cancel it.

 

or some QoL's like:

 

-[</> + LMB] (shadow slash for prime and absolute) giving att speed, just make that a passive instead of having to refresh that.

-Target chase, make it like 5 mins long so I don't have to refresh it every 20 seconds.

-Maybe CD lowering for some more skills.

-Ankle cutter CC is kind of annoying, idk what to think of that. Messes up some combos sometime but I would have to leave that decision to the majority.

-Put Shadow Clone as hotbar skill pls. (I think this might have already been done but putting this out there.)

-Ninjutsu: Shackles sucks, too slow. I don't need it to be protected, I would just like it to be faster like Illusion.

 

I don't expect any of these to pass, I'm still going to be playing my flashy assassin regardless. I don't think I will hold any expectation to them.

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Last Edit : Nov 5, 2021, 13:08 (UTC)
# 23

I wasn't asking something special for succession, but i REALLY hope you remove the added CD on the FG of alert stance.

For my opinion ninja Is the hardest class in the game to master, why giving us a bad change like that  compared to other class like nova, striker , berserker, Valk ecc that can sit 99,9% of the time in that senseless SA FG stance with 0 effort?

while ninja players have to  demolish  their fingers for not get catched out of protection. It sounds reeeeally unfair to me. 

Dont asking for buff , but don't Nerf our Alert stance.

 

 

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2021, 17:18 (UTC)
# 24
On: Nov 3, 2021, 15:28 (UTC), Written by ONl

Smokescreen + whatever core you choose are protected, no? I don't think this should be a post about "Succ vs awk ninja" it should just be, what can both benefit together?

 

To be blunt, as the game is right now on live servers: awk is FG oriented, Succ is SA oriented. While succ is basically perma protected in duels, slows is a death sentence in large scale. Kinda forces some to just play a hit and run style. FG is way under-rated. I wouldn't deny giving awk an extra SA or anything, maybe change CORE MI into lingering like old days? I think that would be fair tbh.

 

In Succ, we have smokescreen as protected cc's but no COREs or etc, just off the top of my head. The meta has been changed, so a good balance of SA's and FG is important. If you would like to maybe change awk to have one more SA (and if to not take the lingering SA for MI) then i'd ask for one more FG skill for Succ Ninja, as I would LOVE to have another one of those in large scale.

 

I do agree with some of your other posts however. They are some great ideas for both types of Ninjas.

Bro im not saying succession doesnt need some things all im saying that overall it is in a much better state right now then awaken is for overall pvp and pve simply bc it is more protected. I only use succ for pve I dont pvp with it which is why I said I wont speak too much on it. awaken is more frontal guard reliant but the problem with that comes when you have skills that pass through the player like sorc blade of darkness skill for example you still get cc'd through the frontal guard because the skill is passing through you and hitting you through your frontal. There are actually quite a few skills that do this hash can do it in awaken if they core a certain skill lahn can do it as well if they core a certain skill nova does it in successin bc of the demon and the soldiers by default spawn on the side of you completely igoring frontal guard not to mention the demon has a basically carpet bomb skill where it flies over your head sparying ice and that once again hits you through frontal guard bc it just goes right over top of it. yes frontal guard is great in certain situations the upside is while you have guard you completely block damage. the downside is what I just mnetioned above you are vulnerable to cc. where as super armor you have to tank damage but you are immune to cc.

Awaken suffers really bad against stuff like that because it is too reliant on frontal guards which is the problem we need to give more hard protection instead of soft protection which is what I like to categorize frontal guard as. On top of that we really really need our pre awaken skills to have cc added to them and some protection we need more protected cc's through our pre awaken kit we legit have zero outside of smoke screen protected cc's are reserved for preawaken only outside of core skills in awaken. well we only have 1 that actually works beheading I have stated many times needs to be protected the whole way through whether it be a Iframe or super armor I dont care it just needs the whole animation protected. they also need to give float back to blade spin in pvp. they also need to increase our pre awaken skill damage because a lot of it is pretty bad by todays standards even with absolute. 

Last Edit : Nov 8, 2021, 15:50 (UTC)
# 25

The sound effect for alert stance is muted on the reworks for succession ninja. I hope this is a bug and not a rework choice. The sound effects on succession ninja plays a huge part in the gameplay experience. Please ensure the sound effects are maintained. 

 

Also again for alert stance, I do like that we're able to use it with more skills, but I would rather sacrifice using it with so many skills and keep it's original frontal guard feature on each use.  For example, Prime Smoke Screen, Evasive Shuriken and Black Moonlight all using frontal guard alert stance is fine. Thanks.

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Last Edit : Nov 8, 2021, 15:53 (UTC)
# 26
On: Nov 8, 2021, 15:50 (UTC), Written by BUDO

The sound effect for alert stance is muted on the reworks for succession ninja. I hope this is a bug and not a rework choice. The sound effects on succession ninja plays a huge part in the gameplay experience. Please ensure the sound effects are maintained. 

 

Also again for alert stance, I do like that we're able to use it with more skills, but I would rather sacrifice using it with so many skills and keep it's original frontal guard feature on each use.  For example, Prime Smoke Screen, Evasive Shuriken and Black Moonlight all using frontal guard alert stance is fine. Thanks.

its a bug they arent fully implemented properly yet a lot fo the stuff they changed has a lack of sound on it mach explosion does too amoung others

Last Edit : Nov 8, 2021, 21:26 (UTC)
# 27

if the alert stance nerf goes through im quittin the game.

just letting u guys at PA know.

succ ninja is the only class i main and c myself maining i dont like the other classes much.

if this alert stance nerf goes thru im gone 4 good.

Thank u

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